[1. Call to Order, Roll Call, and Establishment of Quorum.] [00:00:04] WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ANNA PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING FOR JUNE 2ND, 2025. THE TIME IS NOW 6:04 P.M. WE ARE MISSING COMMISSIONERS NYLEC AND BERGERSON. QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. PLEASE JOIN US IN ALL RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COMMISSIONER MARTIN. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU FILL US WITH YOUR STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND FAVOR. MAY YOUR GUIDANCE DIRECT US YOUR PEACE, CALMNESS, AND YOUR JOY UPLIFT US. AMEN. STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING AN ITEM ON THIS MEETING AGENDA THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. [3. Neighbor Comments] ALSO, AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THIS MEETING AGENDA. EACH PERSON WILL BE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. NO DISCUSSION OR ACTION MAY BE TAKEN AT THIS MEETING ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A NEIGHBOR'S INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY. I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD, MR. TERRELL CULBERTSON. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. DOESN'T START UNTIL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS TERRELL CULBERTSON, I LIVE AT 10429 COUNTY ROAD 289 ANNA, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. AT YOUR APRIL 7TH MEETING, THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM REGARDING IT WAS NOT AN ACTION ITEM. IT WAS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE OAK RIDGE DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE WAS A SIMILAR ITEM TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE TRINITY CREEK DEVELOPMENT. I SPOKE AT THAT MEETING. SEVERAL OF YOU HAD SOME VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER AT THAT MEETING. I WAS AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE WERE BEING ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON, AND THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO OFFER COMMENTS ON, WAS NOT IN THAT AGENDA PACKET. SO IT WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO MAKE COHESIVE, COHERENT COMMENTS AFTER THE MEETING. MISS SCOTT-SIMMS WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A LINK SO THAT I COULD LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THE FOLLOWING WEEK MR. FRENCH, WHO IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF TRIPOINT HOMES, THE DEVELOPER ON THAT PLAN, VISITED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROVIDED A PAPER COPY OF IT, SO IT WAS MORE EASILY FOR ME TO LOOK AT. WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT PLAN, THERE WERE THREE AREAS IN WHICH I COULD SEE AS A LAYPERSON DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE 2050 MASTER LAND USE PLAN THAT YOU ALL SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME REVIEWING, AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY STAFF, AND MANY CITIZENS. I POINTED OUT THOSE THREE AREAS IN AN EMAIL TO THE STAFF, AND ASKED THAT THAT INFORMATION BE PROVIDED BACK TO YOU. THAT STARTED A CHAIN OF EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, WHICH CULMINATED IN AN EMAIL FROM MR. PETERS INFORMING ME THAT I DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO YOU TO PROVIDE INFORMATION UNLESS AN ITEM WAS POSTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE TO ME. I KNEW THAT I COULD NOT COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY TO YOU THROUGH THE CITY OF ANNA WEBSITE, BECAUSE I HAD TRIED THAT BEFORE AND THOSE EMAILS COME BACK. IN THE PAST, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE STAFF WHICH WERE FORWARDED TO YOU. AND I WAS HAPPY WITH THAT PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THIS COMMISSION THAT YOU BE SHIELDED FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS OR IF IT IS A DECISION BY CITY MANAGER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT DECISION CAME FROM. IF I NEED TO COME HERE TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU, AND THAT'S MY ONLY AVENUE, THEN I CERTAINLY AM WILLING AND ABLE TO DO THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THOSE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT THAT PLAN DOES NOT COMPLY, AND THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS THAT I WAS UNDER THE [00:05:08] MISTAKEN PRESUMPTION THAT THAT PLAN WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND A PUBLIC HEARING BE SCHEDULED AND BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. THE DEVELOPER WENT STRAIGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT CONCEPT PLAN AND THAT PREDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITH NO PUBLIC HEARING, WITH NO PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN THE COMMENTS THAT I WAS ABLE TO MAKE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THAT I ATTEMPTED TO MAKE TO YOU THAT I HAVE MADE TO STAFF. SO I'M AT A LOSS HERE. I'M TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS IN A PROFESSIONAL, POSITIVE, CONSTRUCTIVE, POLITE MANNER. AND I'M BEING TOLD NOW THAT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE UNLESS I COME AND APPEAR BEFORE YOU IN PERSON, WHICH GIVES YOU VERY LITTLE TIME TO REACT AND RESPOND AND PERHAPS ASK QUESTIONS. AND IT GIVES ME VERY LITTLE TIME TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. [4. Director's Report.] OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, MISS SCOTT-SIMMS. THANK YOU. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. THE ONLY MEETING IN MAY, THE COUNCIL MEETING IN MAY THAT HAD ITEMS RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WAS ON THE MAY 27TH AGENDA. AT THAT MEETING, JUST FYI, COUNCIL RECOGNIZED OUTGOING COUNCILMEMBER LEE MILLER AND ALSO ADMINISTERED THE OATH OF OFFICE TO OUR NEWLY ELECTED COUNCILMEMBERS KELLY HERNDON AND MANNY SINGH, BOTH WHO ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. THE COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED THE ALLEY ABANDONMENT FOR THE SHIRLEY BUILDING OVER AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST FOURTH STREET AND SHIRLEY AVENUE. THE COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED THE LIBERTY HILLS PHASES ONE AND TWO PRELIMINARY PLAT. THEY APPROVED THE SUP FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER ON THE URBAN CROSSING LOT. AND THEY TABLED THEIR THE CITY DEVELOPMENT PLAT, THE ONE THAT YOU ALL RECOMMENDED DENIAL ON. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO CONSENT ITEMS. DOES ANY COMMISSIONER WISH TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN, [Consent Items] IF I MAY. ON THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING ON THE TOWER FOR THE URBAN CROSSING LOT. I ABSTAINED BECAUSE I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA. I'VE SEEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON ITEMS THAT WERE RELATED TO THEIR HOMES BEFORE, AND I FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE. I SEE IN THE MINUTES THAT MY VOTE TO ABSTAIN WAS CHANGED TO A DENIAL VOTE, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE CITY'S APPLICABLE RULES HERE THAT IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE AN ABSTENTION IS COUNTED AS A NEGATIVE VOTE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DID IN FACT, NOT CAST A VOTE DELIBERATELY, BUT THAT ACT ALWAYS COUNTS AS A NO, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE TALLIED THAT WAY. FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING IF THE ITEM HAD ENOUGH AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO PASS. IN MANY SITUATIONS, THERE COULD BE A SUPERMAJORITY REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD APPLY WHERE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE VOTES HAS TO BE MET. YOUR ABSTAINING VOTE WOULD COUNT AS A NO VOTE FOR PURPOSES OF DECIDING IF THOSE THRESHOLDS HAVE BEEN MET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ON ITEM SEVEN, THAT SEEMS TO BE A DUPLICATE FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH, IT SHOWS THE EXACT SAME WORDING AS ITEM SEVEN ON THE CONSENT ITEMS. LAST MONTH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO TABLE THE ITEM. THEY REQUESTED A 30 DAY WAIVER. OKAY. I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ITEMS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. [00:10:06] OKAY. HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MYSELF. AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VOLLMER. IF YOU WILL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. LET'S MOVE ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS. [Items for Individual Consideration] WE'LL START WITH NUMBER 12. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING/CONSIDER/DISCUSS ACTION REGARDING DHI ANNA, BLOCK A, LOTS 2R AND 3R AND THE WOODS AT LINDSEY PLACE, BLOCK F LOT 1XR FOR REPLAT, OWNER IS D.R. HORTON-TEXAS. THIS ITEM IS A REPLAT AND BECAUSE A PART OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU. I WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT A REPLAT MEANS CHANGING THE PROPERTY LINES. IT IS NOT A ZONING CASE AND THEREFORE THIS IS NOT AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE, IT IS SIMPLY ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINES. SO IN RED IS THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINES AS THEY EXIST TODAY. YOU HAVE THE DHI LOT TWO AND LOT THREE, AS WELL AS THE WOODS AT LINDSEY PLACE, HOA LOT BOTH LOT THREE DHI, AS WELL AS THE HOA LOT FOR THE WOODS AT LINDSEY HAVE A POND, AND D.R. HORTON AND DHI, WHICH ARE SISTER COMPANIES HAVE AGREED THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THAT TO BE ONE LARGE LOT AND SO THEY ARE SHIFTING THE LOT LINE BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE, SO GOING FROM THE RED LINE TO THE BLUE LINE AND THEN CREATING A NEW LOT LINE BETWEEN LOT THREE AND WHERE THE POND IS LOCATED. THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:16 P.M.. I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION FOR YOU. LAUREN, WHEN WAS THIS REZONED? I'M SEEING SOME EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE THAT WAS SHARED WITH US PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT NOT WANTING APARTMENTS THERE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. JUST LIKE YOU STATED, WE'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE A ZONING APPROVAL FOR THOSE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED PRIOR. THE ZONING WAS ADOPTED IN 2020 AS PART OF A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR BOTH THE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY. SO FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T WITH US OR SENT SOME EMAILS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A MOTION ON TO ALLOW APARTMENTS, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SET IN STONE FOR US. ALL WE CAN DO TODAY IS JUST VOTE ON THE REQUEST FOR THE CHANGE THAT THEY'RE ASKING, WHICH IS JUST THE LOT LINE CHANGES AND TRANSFERRING THE POND TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOA. ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, A ND THE COMPANY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION. MY NAME IS BLAKE BEESON, SPIRES ENGINEERING, 501 WEST PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. IS THIS BASICALLY TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FLOODPLAIN. CORRECT. THE TWO PONDS NOTED TO CONTAIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, AND THERE'S AN ACTIVE LETTER OF MAP REVISION OPEN WITH FEMA. ARE YOU MOVING ANY, ARE YOU MAKING ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THE OTHER LOTS THAT ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN NOW? NO, SIR. THERE'S NO ENGINEERING DESIGN CHANGES. IT'S SIMPLY A LOT. THIS POND IS ALREADY BUILT, RIGHT? IS IT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY OVER THERE? YES. OKAY. SO I JUST BASICALLY COME INTO AN AGREEMENT JUST TO MOVE YOUR LOT LINES FOR YOUR PROPERTY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD IN REGARDS TO THIS. IT'S GOING TO BE MELANIE HOFFMAN. IF YOU PLEASE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US. MELODY HOFFMAN, 1909 HAMPTON STREET. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ZONED FOR APARTMENTS. WE GET THAT. WE'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT WE GET IT. WE WERE LIED TO BY D.R. HORTON. THEY CONFIRMED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO APARTMENTS. THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT THE REPLATTING IS GOING TO START BUTTING UP TO OUR POND. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING. EXCUSE ME. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING ISSUES WITH PEOPLE THROWING TRASH IN OUR POND, [00:15:08] WE'RE SEEING TOO MUCH TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE, PEOPLE COMING TO FISH IN OUR POND, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED. AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT ALL OF THOSE APARTMENTS GETTING PUSHED UP AGAINST OUR POND, NOW THAT THEY'RE REPLATTING. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO END UP THROWING EVEN MORE PEOPLE INTO HOA FINANCE TO POND, BECAUSE THE CITY, Y'ALL ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE OVER THE FEES THAT WE'RE PAYING TO TAKE THAT AND MAKE IT GOOD AND MAKE IT CLEAN. SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT, AND THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT MORE APARTMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:20 P.M. AND CONFINED COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AND STAFF. THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, GUYS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS PRETTY BLACK AND WHITE. THEY'RE JUST ADJUSTING. THE POND'S ALREADY IN PLACE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO GROW ANY IN SIZE, OTHER THAN THEY MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO SHIFT THE PROPERTY LINES. IS THAT CORRECT? LAUREN? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EXPAND THE POND THAT'S THERE NOW. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. YEAH. IS THERE A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12? MOTION TO APPROVE. I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER HERMANN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MARTIN. THIS MATTER IS NOW OPEN FOR VOTE. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES WITH FIVE IN FAVOR. NONE OPPOSED. UNANIMOUS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDER DISCUSSION. MADAM CHAIR, YOU DIDN'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR DIDN'T HEAR THE TIME ANNOUNCED, AT LEAST. I'M SORRY. WAS IT SIX? SIX? 20? OKAY. SORRY. MY MISTAKE. OKAY. KEEP ME ON MY TOES. IT'S A MONDAY. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER 13, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING/CONSIDER/DISCUSS ACTION REGARDING THE VILLAGES AT WATERS CREEK PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OWNER IS ANNA 51 JOINT VENTURE LP. THIS ITEM IS AN AMENDMENT OF AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE ONLY AMENDING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED IN 2020, AND THEN IN 2022, THEY REZONED TO EXPAND THE MULTIFAMILY AREA, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY. AND THEN IN 2025, THE APPLICANT DEDICATED PARKLAND FOR A PORTION OF CARROLL PARK. SO WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING WHERE THE FRONTAGE OF WEST WHITE STREET IS CURRENTLY C-1 IS THE BASE ZONING, AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT TO C-2 ZONING, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW FOR THREE RESTAURANTS AS WELL AS RETAIL BUILDING, CHILDCARE AND AUTO REPAIR. OF THOSE PROPOSED USES IN THE C-2 SECTION, EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE AUTO REPAIR, WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AUTO REPAIR IS THE ONLY ADDITION TO THAT, AND THEY ARE ALSO MAINTAINING PROHIBITED USES. THAT WAS IN THE PD CURRENTLY. THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED FOR SF 60, WHICH IS THE 6000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LOTS TO A FLEX INDUSTRIAL ZONING UNDER THE C-2 REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THESE WOULD BE ONE STORY. ALL OF THE TRACKS ABUTTING TO OAK HOLLOW WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT OF ONE STORY FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND TWO STORY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED PRODUCT. THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIES THESE TRACKS AS COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL AND URBAN LIVING. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON WEST WHITE STREET THAT ALSO THEY CONSTRUCTED PERSIMMON DRIVE, CONNECTING THROUGH TO OAK HOLLOW PHASE SIX. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT WITH A PRESENTATION. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES TO THIS ZONING REQUEST. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. OKAY, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:24 P.M.. DOES ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CAN YOU GO? [00:20:01] YOU'RE FIRST. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO SQUEEZE 93 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE OFFICE BUILDING IN A SPACE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED FOR 90 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT? OR APARTMENTS? YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT THAT THEY WOULD BE CHANGING. SO ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU, THEY ARE PROPOSING THE FLEX INDUSTRIAL OFFICES WHERE CURRENTLY WOULD ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND THEN ON THE SOUTH BORDER OF THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE PROPOSING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED WHICH ARE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED TOWNHOMES. I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT, YES. THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP THAT SHOWS US WHERE THIS IS ON WHITE STREET AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING CHANGED? THANKS. SO THE BOUNDARY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS PERSIMMON DRIVE. THERE IS SOME PORTIONS OF IT THAT EXTEND TO THE WEST OF PERSIMMON DRIVE. THIS IS OVER BY WARRIOR TIRE, CORRECT? YES, YES. IS THAT BY WALGREENS? OKAY. IS THERE A SIGNAL PLANNED FOR THAT INTERSECTION THAT WE KNOW OF. NOT THAT WE KNOW OF. THAT IS A TXDOT RIGHT OF WAY. IT WOULD REQUIRE TXDOT APPROVAL. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY EXIT NOW IS BACK TO WHITE STREET. CORRECT. IT'S, IT CONNECTS TO OAK HOLLOW ON THE SOUTH AND WEST WHITE STREET ON THE NORTH. IT WOULD WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE AUTO REPAIR, THE DAYCARE AND ANOTHER RETAIL BUILDING WOULD CONNECT THE FIRE LANE TO ADVANTAGE STORAGE. AND I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. SO AT THE VERY NORTHEAST CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE LINE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING FIRE LANE OF THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IS THE APPLICANT YOU SAID THE APPLICANT WAS PRESENT, WOULD LIKE, HAS A PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT. COME ON DOWN. PLEASE STATE THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE WITH AND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION. MY NAME IS DAVID KALLAUGHER. I'M WITH WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, 11,000 FRISCO STREET, SUITE 400, FRISCO, TEXAS, 75033. I'M HERE FOR THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. ANY ASPECT OF THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. DON, WHO REPRESENTS THE ANNA 51, WILL RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THE POWERPOINT THAT WE SUPPLIED TO STAFF. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. AND OBVIOUSLY, DON'S RIGHT BEHIND ME, SO. TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT YOU ASKED, HAVE YOU TALKED TO TXDOT ABOUT THE PROBABILITY OF GETTING ANOTHER INTERSECTION LIGHT ON WHITE? WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT. NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED JUST YET. THE ONLY WORKINGS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY PERMIT ADJACENT TO THE WALGREENS. WE DO HAVE A SITE OVER THERE THAT'S SORT OF TRICKY. WE HAVE ONE PAD SITE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THROCKMORTON CREEK. WE ARE TYING INTO THE WALGREENS THERE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER DRIVE OUT. THAT SITE DOES NOT CONNECT TO ANYTHING OVER ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OTHER THAN A PEDESTRIAN TRAILWAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER VOLLMER? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. HI, SIR. IF YOU'LL DO THE SAME ROUTINE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE COMPANY YOU'RE WITH. MY NAME IS DON COLLINS. SORRY. LOCATED AT 2705 CLUB LAKE TRAIL IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THE. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT AND TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE STREET LIGHT QUESTION THAT YOU ALL HAD BACK, I WANT TO SAY. AND, LAUREN, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER BETTER THAN ME, BUT I CAME BACK. I CAME IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH AT THE BEGINNING OF PERSIMMON DRIVE BEING CONSTRUCTED. AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WILL NEED A STREET LIGHT THERE. [00:25:06] AND SO I THINK THAT WAS WITH COUNCIL IN A WORKSHOP AND I BASICALLY TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE PREPARED TO AND I HAD ACTUALLY TALKED TO A REPRESENTATIVE FOR TXDOT DOWN IN COLLIN COUNTY, PROBABLY BEFORE THAT, AND WE WERE MORE THAN WILLING TO PAY A PORTION OF THAT FOR THE LIGHT. HONESTLY, THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, THEIR ATTITUDE WAS, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE STREET LIGHTS. AND SO IT KIND OF DIED VERY QUICKLY. BUT I THINK WE ALL REALIZED THAT THINGS ARE CHANGING. AND WHITE STREET, THE TRAFFIC ON WHITE STREET HADN'T GOTTEN ANY LIGHTER IN EITHER DIRECTION. AND SO BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO PARTICIPATE OR ARRANGE FOR A LIGHT TO BE THERE AND REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, QUITE HONESTLY. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. OKAY, MADAM. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO THANK THE STAFF. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF NOW FOR ALMOST TEN MONTHS ON THIS. AND AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF PERSIMMON DRIVE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW. AND OF COURSE, THERE'S SOME REASONS WHY IT HASN'T BEEN OPENED YET AT LEAST I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN. I KNOW IT'S CLOSE TO BEING APPROVED, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVEN'T OR JPI HASN'T PUSHED TO GET CITY ACCEPTANCE ON IT IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GET FURTHER ALONG WITH THEIR APARTMENT BUILDINGS. AND THE OTHER THING, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNEW THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT USERS. THIS ISN'T A ZONING CASE OR REZONING CASE FOR SPECULATION REASONS. WE'VE GOT RETAIL USERS IN PLACE, WE'VE GOT A FLEX USER IN PLACE, WE'VE ACTUALLY WE'VE GOT A TOWNHOUSE USER IN PLACE. AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN HERE, THERE'S ABOUT A TWO AND A HALF THREE ACRE LOCATION FOR GARDEN OFFICE. WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY HAD TIME TO SPEAK WITH THEM, BUT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, SO EVERY SITE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ZONE TONIGHT INCLUDED IN THE 31 ACRES, BASICALLY WE HAVE A USER IN PLACE FOR IT THAT'S KIND OF READY TO MOVE. SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS REAL QUICKLY. LAUREN. THIS BUTTON OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. HERE'S THE LOCATION. YOU'RE PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. WALMART, OF COURSE, THE RETAIL CENTER TO THE NORTH OF 455 IS PRETTY MUCH CATTY CORNER TO THE SITE, WE HAD ACTUALLY DEVELOPED BACK IN, WE STARTED DEVELOPMENT ON OAK HOLLOW. I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ON OAK HOLLOW BACK IN 2001, AND I'M AWARE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S 968 HOUSES. AND SO WE WERE VERY INVOLVED IN THIS AREA. WE ALSO DID CROSS CREEK CROSSING AND ALSO THE FALLS. SO WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS 65 GROSS ACRES. WE BOUGHT THAT ABOUT 2015 JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND I THINK LAUREN HAD MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT WE DECIDED THAT WE GAVE BASICALLY 12.6 ACRES TO THE PARK DEPARTMENT, AND THAT IS IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE WITH THE PLAN FOR THROCKMORTON CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM, WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY I THINK IT'S ABOUT 2800 LINEAR FEET TO 3000 LINEAR FEET. SO WE'VE GOT A LARGE, LARGE SECTION OF IT. AND IT REALLY AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY OR TO THE PARK DEPARTMENT. WE'RE BIG SUPPORTERS OF PARKS. LINEAR TRAILS, I THINK, HAVE PROVEN TO BE ONE OF THE BEST AMENITIES FOR A PLANNED COMMUNITY. SO IT OUGHT TO WORK OUT REAL WELL. MOVING ON. THIS IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE 31 ACRES THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE RETAIL UP ON WHITE STREET OR 455. JUST BELOW THAT, LET ME MOVE TO THE NEXT PLAN AND WE'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THIS PLAN HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED. OR IT'S LET'S SAY IT'S IN THE WORKS OF BEING MODIFIED. HOWEVER, THE RETAIL IN THE FRONT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PERSIMMON AND 455 THE USER THAT WE'VE GOT IN TOW IS PLANNING A RETAIL BUILDING. ALSO, HE'S GOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEAR THE MINI WAREHOUSE, HE'S GOT TAKE FIVE, [00:30:03] THAT'S OIL CHANGE, THAT'S INTERESTED IN THAT SITE. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE THEY'VE GOT ACTUALLY A DAYCARE. SO THAT'S HAPPENING AT THAT CORNER. WE REALLY ARE WORKING ON I'M SORRY. WE REALLY AREN'T WORKING ON ANY OF THE RETAIL AS FAR AS MOVING AHEAD WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS ON THE WEST SIDE OF PERSIMMON, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WE REALLY WANT TO START WITH THE SOUTHEAST CORNER ON THAT PROJECT JUST SOUTH OF THAT. THIS DOESN'T HAVE A RED LIGHT OR A LASER. OH THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST SOUTH OF THAT YOU'LL SEE THE SMALL IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE GARDEN OFFICE DEAL. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S PLANNED TO BE. THAT CONFIGURATION MAY CHANGE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT WE HAD PLANNED IT ORIGINALLY. AND, LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE BUILDING UP FRONT NOT PARKING. WE ALSO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE EAST OF THAT OVER IN OAK HOLLOW FOUR FOR A FENCE THERE. OKAY. SO WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT OBLIGATION. TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S THE FLEX LOCATION YOU SEE THERE WITH FIVE BUILDINGS. THE REPRESENTATIVE OR THE PARTNER I GUESS, IN THE FLEX PRODUCT IS HERE TONIGHT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, HE'D PROBABLY BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THAT CONFIGURATION I'VE ALREADY SEEN ONE THAT THEY'VE COME BACK WITH. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THEY'RE PLANNING FOUR 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS WITH A HEIGHT OF 22FT AND THEN CLOSER TO PERSIMMON, ALMOST WHERE THAT GREEN AREA IS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE HEIGHT LIMITATION, ON OR THE HEIGHT ON THAT. I'M SORRY. 35FT, WHICH PRETTY MUCH MATCHES UP SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT. SO AND THEN RIGHT BELOW THAT IS THE TOWNHOUSE SITE. AND WE'RE CHANGING THAT SO WE'RE CHANGING THE, THE FLEX AND THE TOWNHOUSE OR. I'M SORRY, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS BEING CHANGED TO FLEX AND ALSO TOWNHOUSE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER. TECHNICAL ONES WILL GO TO. HELP ME I,. THE HORSESHOE BUILDING THAT'S THERE. THAT'S THERE NOW? I'M TRYING I'M TRYING TO. THOSE ARE THE JPI APARTMENTS. THEY'RE BUILT. THEY'RE BUILT. OKAY I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT. THAT'S THE JPI OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. AND THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN THERE. WE HAD CAPPED THAT AT 325. 325. OKAY YES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT DON HADN'T BROUGHT UP JUST YET IS THERE'S EXISTING VEGETATION BETWEEN OUR SITE AND THE OAK HOLLOW RESIDENTS. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO DO IS NOT NECESSARILY PUT A FENCE IN, BECAUSE IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO DESTROY MOST OF THAT VEGETATION. SO WE WILL BE USING A LIVING SCREEN. AND AS FAR AS THE FLEX SPACE, THIS IS SORT OF A SECTION ELEVATION OF ONE OF THE RESIDENCES THERE. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO DROP THE SITE DOWN ABOUT TEN, 12FT. THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THIS IS INDICATIVE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO WE'LL HAVE THE BUFFER OF EXISTING VEGETATION UP AGAINST THEIR EXISTING FENCE LINE, WHILE THE RETAINING WALL, AND THEN ANOTHER 20FT OR SO, AND THEN THE FIRE LANE. AND THEN THE ABOUT, LET'S SAY, 34FT TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'RE, WE'RE ROUGHLY 80 SOMETHING FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY WITH THE FLEX SPACE. SO WE PURPOSELY CAPPED THOSE BUILDINGS AS WELL AS THE TOWNHOME AT 35FT TO MATCH THE SINGLE FAMILY. DOES THAT SAY NEW TREES OR NOW TREES? SO NEW TREES. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE TREES IN THE BACK IN THE ISLANDS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE WITHIN OUR SIGHT. THE EXISTING VEGETATION IS SORT OF UP ON THE HIGHER PORTION NEXT TO THE FENCE. SO THOSE WILL BE LARGE TREES. THOSE WILL BE SPECIMEN TREES FOR CODE AND PROBABLY DOING AT THREE INCH 3 TO 4 INCH CALIPER SIZE. SO IT'LL BE A WHILE BEFORE THEY REALLY MAKE MUCH OF A SCREEN, I GUESS. WELL, KEEP IN MIND, IF WE GO TO THE AERIAL, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT VEGETATIVE SCREEN OF EVERGREENS, CEDARS, OTHER TREES, HACKBERRIES PROBABLY SOME CEDAR ELMS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE ALONG THAT FENCE LINE. [00:35:09] SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE SCREEN THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, I APPRECIATE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER SUBDIVISION IN THE AREA THAT'S STRUGGLING BECAUSE IT WAS REMOVED BY A DEVELOPER. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE LANDSLIDING, A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT AND RUNOFF AND DRAINAGE ISSUES. MY QUESTION IS ON THE RETAINING WALL. I KNOW THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, SO IT'S DUE TO CHANGE, BUT WHAT ARE Y'ALL THINKING ON RETAINING WALL? ARE WE THINKING CONCRETE RETAINING WALL. WE'RE THINKING LANDSCAPER PAVERS. WELL, IT COULD BE A SOLID CONCRETE WALL. OBVIOUSLY IT'LL HAVE TO CAMBER A LITTLE BIT TO THE BACK. A LOT OF TIMES THOSE THINGS ARE BUILT. ONE, IT'S OVER 30IN, SO IT'LL HAVE TO BE STRUCTURAL AND THEY'LL DESIGN THAT. BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S DONE WITH STONE, AND THEN THEY BACKFILL IT WITH ROCK. WITH ROCK TO KEEP THE WATER AWAY FROM IT. HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED TO ANY OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE IN OAK HOLLOW? SO DON SENT LETTERS TO ALL OF THEM. DID YOU GET RESPONSES? NONE. NO RESPONSE. OH, HE WANTED ME TO EXPLAIN AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROJECT WASN'T GOING TO HURT THE VALUE. AND HIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE]. HE'S SELLING IT SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 8 TO 10 YEARS, AND THEY'VE HAD A RENTER IN THERE THAT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE FAMILY NOW FOR THE PAST 8 OR 10 YEARS OR SO. SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS CALLING ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, BECAUSE WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2015. I'VE HAD AN OCCASION AND PHASE FOUR OF OAK HOLLOW WAS DEVELOPED AROUND 2011 THROUGH. I'M SORRY. I GOT A LOUD VOICE. ANYWAY OKAY. IT WAS DEVELOPED BETWEEN 11 AND 14, 2014. AND SO I'VE HAD I'VE HAD HOMEOWNERS CALL ME IN THERE SOMETIMES WHEN THEIR TREES HAVE FALLEN. IT MAY BE THEIR TREES OR IT MAY BE MY TREES ON THE FENCE LINE, BUT I'VE GONE OUT AND TAKEN CARE OF THAT AT THE CITY'S REQUEST. AND SO I'VE GOTTEN THE OPINION FROM THEM. THOSE TREES BEHIND THEIR FENCE ON MY PROPERTY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. SO THAT'S WHY WE CAME UP WITH THE BUFFER. WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT DURING OUR ORIGINAL ZONING BACK IN 2020 THE APARTMENTS WERE ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO OAK HOLLOW, AND WE MOVED THAT UP TO WHERE THE CURRENT SITE IS NOW. BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THE TREES. AND SO WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT AS WELL. ANY AREA THAT IS NOT SCREENED OFF, THAT'S WHERE WE WILL SUPPLEMENT VEGETATION TO HELP WITH THE LIVING SCREEN ASPECT. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ONE MORE. YOU'RE DEDICATING SPACE FOR TRAILS. WILL THE CITY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCING OF DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE TRAILS, OR WILL YOU ? NO, THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BY JPI. WELL, IT'S A. THEY'RE NOT JPI. IT'S A JOINT . LIKE A JOINT VENTURE. THE CITY OF ANNA HAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO WITH JPI, WHICH COVERS THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF THE TRAILS. AND THE CITY IS PROVIDING SOME PARTICIPATION. BUT THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER IS AS WELL. THANK YOU. YOU DIDN'T STATE YOUR NAME, BUT WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU. GREG. WHO IS THAT GUY? [LAUGHS] YEAH, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH HIM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED, LAUREN. MY ONLY THING IS, IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AT THE CITY OF ANNA AND NOTIFIED OAK HOLLOW RESIDENTS. I THINK THAT THIS IS GREAT. WHAT I'M SEEING, THAT'S LIKE AN 86 FOOT BUFFER. I MEAN, WE COULD ARGUE ABOUT THE TRASH BINS BEING IN THEIR WAY, BUT YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT OVER LIKE 50 SOMETHING FEET BUFFER. AND THAT'S MORE THAN WHAT IS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING REGULATIONS FOR THEM TO HAVE. THEY'VE ALSO DONE THEIR HOMEWORK WITH THE EXISTING TREE VEGETATION. THEY KNOW TO LEAVE IT IN PLACE. THEY KNOW TO WORK AROUND IT. THEY'RE ADDING MORE TREES. THEY'VE MOVED THE APARTMENTS ALREADY ONCE THEY'VE SENT OUT THE MAILERS. I JUST WOULD LIKE ONE MORE AVENUE ON THE CITY SIDE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THESE CHANGES ARE BEING MADE. I KNOW THAT THESE MEETING MINUTES ARE POSTED PUBLICLY TOO ONLINE. SO IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICANT SENDING HIS OWN NOTICES, THE CITY SENT OUR STANDARD POSTCARDS TO EVERYONE WITHIN 200 [INAUDIBLE]. [00:40:02] DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSES BACK? NO. DID THE CITY? NO. NO? ALL RIGHT, I GUESS THAT'S DUE IN DUE PROCESS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I HAD. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:44 P.M. IN CONFINED COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. THOUGHTS? YEAH, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAD SAID ON THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S A GOOD DESIGN AND EITHER LOWERING THE PROPERTY TOO, SO THAT'LL HELP WITH NOT LOOKING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS AND EVERYTHING. SO I LIKE IT. MADAM. MADAM CHAIR, WE NEED TO SOLICIT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS, BUT IS THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY BUT IT'S GENERALLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU ASK THE GALLERY WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM BEFORE. OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST CLOSED IT BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY SPEAKER CARDS. MY APOLOGIES GUYS. LESSON LEARNED ON MY END. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? AWKWARD. OKAY, I'LL NOW CLOSE IT. HOLD ON. YOU'VE GOT ONE. OH, COME ON DOWN. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, MADAM CHAIR, YOU'RE REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:46. I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:46. MY NAME IS CATHERINE ELWOOD, AND I LIVE AT 20208 MULBERRY DRIVE IN OAK HOLLOW. AND OUR ONLY CONCERN IS PERSIMMON IS OPENING UP INTO OUR SUBDIVISION AND WITH ALL OF THAT BUILDING BACK THERE AND EVERYTHING, IS THAT GOING TO BE ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH WHERE? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SUBDIVISION STREET, IT'S NOT A MAIN THOROUGHFARE. AND THAT'S A LOT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS, HOMES. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET FROM PERSIMMON TO TAYLOR OUT THAT WAY. AND WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO ADD TO OUR SUBDIVISION. AND WE DON'T HAVE WIDE STREETS OUT THERE IN OAK HOLLOW. SO THAT'S OUR ONLY QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS? OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:47 P.M. DANG IT. SCRATCH THAT. OKAY. COTTONWOOD. SO I HAVE MY FENCE, YOU KNOW, JUST, I WILL SEE RIGHT NOW I SAW ALL MY TREES AND MY SUNSHINE AND EVERY MORNING I HAVE BIRD, SQUIRREL, EVERYTHING PERFECT. SO WITH THIS KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, I THINK I WILL SEE JUST HOUSE NOW AND I FEEL SO BAD. NO MORE COYOTES. THEY LEAVE EVERY KIND OF ANIMAL BEHIND. IT WILL BE DEAD. AND PLEASE TRY TO SAVE SOMETHING ABOUT TREES AND ANIMALS. I THINK NOW WHEN I SAW ON THE NEWS, YOU SAY ON THE SPORTS TEAM, THE COYOTES OF ANNA. YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS. WE HAVE NO MORE COYOTES. WE HAVE NO MORE BIRD. SO WE WILL LOSE NOW THE RABBIT. BECAUSE I HAVE SOME RABBIT PASSED AROUND. SO. AND I WILL LOSE MY VIEW ON THE EVENING. YOU KNOW, WITH THE TREES, THE SUNSHINE, WHEN GO DOWN. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE SOME PICTURE IF YOU WANT, AND IT WILL BE GONE. AND OF COURSE, MY HOUSE, THE PRICE WILL BE DECREASE A LOT. SO. AND I REMEMBER WHEN I BUY THIS HOUSE, THEY TOLD ME THIS WAS A RESERVE FOR ANIMALS. AND WHEN THEY START TO DO, YOU KNOW UNDER WHEN YOU HAVE A STORY WORTHY THEY START TO BUILD. AND I WERE LUCKY BECAUSE IT'S VERY DEEP. SO MY TREES COVER EVERYTHING, BUT NOT MY TREES, THE TREES [00:45:02] BEHIND MY FENCE. SO NOW WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS, WE LOST EVERYTHING. SO JUST I WANT JUST TO SAY THANKS FOR EVERYTHING TO LISTEN TO ME. AND I FEEL SO BAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WOULD WISH TO TALK ON THE AGENDA ITEM? JUST WAITING. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:50 P.M. AND CONFINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY, THE FIRST COMMENT THAT WAS MADE, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT WASN'T THIS, IT WON'T ACCESS INTO OAK HOLLOW. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A FIRE BLOCK. OR IS IT GOING TO CONTINUE ALL THE WAY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? NO. PERSIMMON WILL BE AN OPEN PUBLIC ROAD. IT STARTS OFF AS A COLLECTOR STREET AT LIGHT STREET, AND THEN WILL WORK ITS WAY DOWN TO A LOCAL STREET. A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. WAS IT ALWAYS ANTICIPATED TO END IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? PERSIMMONS? WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME IN 2020 BECAUSE OAK HOLLOW HAD LEFT THAT AS A CONNECTOR FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WE TOLD THE APPLICANT THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT TO THAT ROAD. WELL, THIS WILL TECHNICALLY GIVE PEOPLE IN THAT SUBDIVISION AN ACCESS TO WHITE STREET NOW, RIGHT? SO MORE TRAFFIC COMING TO THAT INTERSECTION. AND I THINK CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WITH THIS REZONE, THERE WERE THE INDUSTRIAL THAT FLEX OFFICES THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY. CORRECT. YEAH. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY LOWERING THE DENSITY THERE, 'CAUSE IF IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES YOU'D HAVE EVEN MORE CARS POURING OUT ONTO THAT ROAD. RIGHT? WELL, THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS GOING FROM 90 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES TO THE FLEX OFFICE SPACE AND 93 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING . ABOUT THE SAME. GOTCHA. OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE OVER UNDER IS ON GETTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT, BECAUSE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE'S ALREADY A TRAFFIC LIGHT SCHEDULED TO GO IN AT WEST CROSSING AND THE NEW SUBDIVISION GOING ON THE SOUTH, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M GOING TO DEFER TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER GREG PETERS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHO YOU'RE WITH, SIR. GREG PETERS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, CITY OF ANNA, 120 WEST SEVENTH STREET ANNA, TEXAS, 75409. SO AS I THINK SOME FOLKS HAVE KIND OF DISCUSSED, THERE IS A HISTORY OF LOOKING AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN THIS LOCATION. AND WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS BOTH WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WITH TXDOT. I THINK THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF TXDOT INSTALLING A SIGNAL HERE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT MEETS WARRANT CRITERIA. ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HOW TXDOT HANDLES TRAFFIC SIGNALS OFTENTIMES, AND HOW CITIES MIGHT HANDLE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON CITY STREETS, AT CITY INTERSECTIONS WHERE THE CITY HAS CONTROL, IS OFTENTIMES WE CAN USE A STUDY TO SAY THIS IS A PROJECTION OF THE TRAFFIC BEFORE IT GETS THERE SO WE CAN START DOING THAT. AND IN TXDOT PROCESSES, THEY TYPICALLY WILL WAIT UNTIL THE TRAFFIC IS THERE TO WARRANT THE SIGNAL. AND SO WHAT STAFF CAN DO WITH THIS HEARING, HEARING JUST ALL THE CONCERNS. WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD WE'LL MONITOR THE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION, AND WE DO HAVE TRAFFIC COUNTERS, SO WE CAN EVEN GET OUR OWN COUNTS IN THE INTERIM. BUT THEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT DOING IN THE PAST IS GOING AHEAD AND CONDUCTING A TRAFFIC STUDY. THERE'S A THERE'S AN ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WE WORK WITH THAT WAS SELECTED DURING OUR MULTIDISCIPLINARY RFQ. THAT THEY'RE A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM, AND MOST OF THEM ARE RETIRED TXDOT EMPLOYEES. AND SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TXDOT IS LOOKING FOR. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WORKING WITH THEM TO DO TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THEN DEMONSTRATE THE WARRANTS. THEY HELPED US, FOR INSTANCE, GET THE ROSEMAN PARKWAY AT FIVE. THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED BY TXDOT, BUT THEY HELPED US MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THOSE THRESHOLDS TO GET TXDOT TO AGREE [00:50:05] TO DO THAT. SO I DO WANT TO CAUTION EVERYONE, THOUGH, THAT TYPICALLY ONCE, ONCE A SIGNAL IS WARRANTED IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1 TO 2 YEARS BEFORE IT GETS INSTALLED JUST WITH TEXAS PROCESSES. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE LOOKING AT THINGS ON A VERY LARGE SCALE. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AS KIND OF A TIMELINE TIME FRAME FOR THAT. BUT STAFF IS READY AND WILLING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO, TO HELP TRY TO PUSH THAT DATA AND THOSE STUDIES IN A WAY TO WHERE TXDOT CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU TAKE 1 TO 2 YEARS TO GET THE LIGHT AFTER IT'S WARRANTED. SO HOW LONG IS THE MONITORING PROCESS? WHAT TIME DOES THAT ADD? SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE I MEAN, WE WOULD PROBABLY GO OUT THERE AND START MONITORING. I WOULD SAY ONCE THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IS COMPLETE, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF CO-ING BUILDINGS. AND SO IT'S NOT FULLY DEVELOPED. AND THEN ONCE SOME OF THESE FACILITIES, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, ONCE THESE START GOING IN THERE AND WE SEE TRAFFIC INCREASE, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE GO AND GET COUNTS AND WE CAN INTERNALLY, WE CAN SEE HOW CLOSE WE ARE, HOW FAR AWAY, BECAUSE WE CAN RUN THE WARRANT ANALYSIS OURSELVES INTERNALLY. SO IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY CHECK IT EVERY SIX MONTHS. EVERY NINE MONTHS. JUST WHATEVER MAKES SENSE. IF IT'S REALLY CLOSE AND WE'RE JUST SHY, MAYBE WE COME BACK IN 60 DAYS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT WE WOULD PUT IT ON OUR LIST OF, OF INTERSECTIONS. WE HAVE SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS ACROSS THE CITY WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO MEETING THE CRITERIA. SO WE WOULD JUST REGULARLY CHECK IT. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO PREDICT HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE UNTIL WE CROSS THAT THRESHOLD TO WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC, WE CAN GET A STUDY AND MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT TO TXDOT. SO IT IS KIND OF HARD TO PREDICT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE LIGHT AT WEST CROSSING? I'M JUST, THINKING THAT IF TXDOT PUTS ONE AT HIGHWAY FIVE AND WHITE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE AT 75, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER ONE THAT THEY JUST PUT IN BY THE DAIRY QUEEN AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ONE AT WEST CROSSING. THERE'S ONE AT BUDDY HAYES NOW. AND BUDDY HAYES AS WELL. SO TO ME IT'S KIND OF MAXING OUT ON THE NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN EACH ONE OF THEM TO BE ABLE TO ADD OR PUT ANOTHER ONE ON WHITE STREET. SO IF WEST CROSSING IS GREENLIT, WHAT'S THAT PERCENTAGE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. THAT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO ANSWER. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, IS THAT WHAT WE WOULD, AS STAFF ADVOCATE FOR THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE TO HAVE THOSE TRAFFIC SIGNALS SYNCHRONIZED SO THAT AT LEAST IF YOU GET A GREEN YOU CAN HOPEFULLY MOVE THROUGH WITH THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN. AS LONG AS YOU'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH AND HAVE SOME PREDICTABILITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH SO THAT YOU DON'T HIT SIX RED LIGHTS ON YOUR WAY FROM 5 TO 75. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE FRUSTRATION THAT WOULD DRIVE, THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION THAT FOLKS WOULD HAVE. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THOSE NEED TO BE SYNCHRONIZED. AND THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT WITH TECHNOLOGY TO WHERE THEY SYNC UP. THERE'S IN I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH TXDOT SPECIFIC SOFTWARE THEY USE, BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH SOME TRAFFIC SIGNAL SOFTWARE THAT WORKS WITH THE CONTROLLERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN SYNC BASED ON THE SPEED LIMIT, IF YOU GO TOO FAST OR TOO SLOW, IT MIGHT NOT WORK FOR YOU. BUT IF YOU GO THE SPEED LIMIT THEN YOU CAN HAVE THAT PREDICTABILITY OF GETTING THROUGH THE AREA WITHOUT GETTING STOPPED MULTIPLE TIMES. OKAY. THANKS. BEFORE YOU GO WITH THIS GOING THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE YOU CAN TURN LEFT AT PERSIMMON, RIGHT, TO GET ON THE WHITE STREET, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS ALL THE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY IN RUSH HOUR. SO YOU'RE INVITING EVERYBODY TO EITHER DRIVE THROUGH OAK HOLLOW DOWN TO TAYLOR, WHICH ISN'T IN THE BEST SHAPE, RIGHT, TO HANDLE ALL THIS INCREASED TRAFFIC, OR YOU SEND THEM THROUGH OAK HOLLOW TO TRY TO GET TO THAT OTHER LIGHT WHERE THEY CAN GET ON LIGHT STREET. SO YOU REALLY DO DRIVE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY LIKE SCHOOL TIME IN THE MORNINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. THE ONE THING ABOUT TAYLOR I WOULD SAY FOR OAK HOLLOW NEIGHBORS IS THAT BECAUSE TAYLOR DOESN'T HAVE AN OVERPASS AT 75, I THINK THAT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT WOULD COME SOUTH AND THEN GO TO TAYLOR WOULD PROBABLY BE PRETTY LOW, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO TURN YOU RIGHT BACK UP TO 455 INTO THE MAJOR TRAFFIC AREAS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE MINIMAL. THANKS, GREG. [00:55:07] ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS. TRAFFIC QUESTIONS. TEXT QUESTIONS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 13. A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER LONGMIRE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HERMANN. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUS. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING. 14. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING/CONSIDER/DISCUSS ACTION REGARDING 703 EAST WHITE STREET ZONING, OWNERS WHITE STREET INVESTMENT, LLC. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY TO C-2 COMMERCIAL. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS SUBURBAN LIVING, BUT IT ALSO FALLS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN OF TRANSITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT. TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TO HAVE AC-22 PROPERTY IN THE SUBURBAN LIVING. HOWEVER, WITH THIS BEING ON EAST WHITE STREET AND BEING PART OF THE LARGER DOWNTOWN AREA WE FEEL THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE. THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING. WE NOTICED THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES. IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:01 P.M.. DOES ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DROVE BY THERE. I DIDN'T SEE A ZONING CHANGE SIGN. HAVE WE HEARD FROM ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS? [INAUDIBLE] . THERE'S NO SIGN THERE TODAY.[INAUDIBLE] . IT'S GONE. IF IT HAD ONE, IT WAS GONE. I DO REQUIRE THAT EVERETT SENDS ME A PHOTO AFTER HE PUTS UP EVERY SIGN SO I DO KNOW THAT HE DID PUT ONE THERE. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO LOSE A SIGN. WELL, MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF THE SIGN DISAPPEARED BY WHATEVER REASON, THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT THERE'S. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A SIGN UP AT THE END OF THIS WEEK. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THE APPLICANT IS HERE. OKAY. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ABHISHEK JAIN, YOU CAN CALL ME AJ 6723 CAPISTRANO STREET, IRVING, TEXAS 75039. ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE IDEAS OF WHAT WOULD GO ON THAT LOT AT THIS POINT? YOU'RE THINKING RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, C-2, WHATEVER IS PERMITTED IN C-2, ZONING. RETAIL, I'M SORRY?. RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, CHILDCARE, WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT, BUT ONCE WE HAVE INTERESTS OF THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE UNDERSTAND IT BETTER, AND WE'LL DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YOU WANT TO TURN IT TO C-2? JUST BASICALLY BETTING ON ALL THE HOUSING AROUND THERE GOING AWAY. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS LAUREN? ANYONE? OKAY. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY SPEAKER CARDS. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 07:04 P.M. AND CONFINE COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AND STAFF. THOUGHTS ON C-2 GUYS? RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL. I KNOW IT'S ON WHITE STREET, MAYBE BECOME C-2 IN THE FUTURE, [01:00:06] BUT LOTS OF CURRENT. SO IT'S ON THE SOUTH IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND VACANT COMMERCIAL IS A VACANT COMMERCIAL BUTTON UP TO THE WHITE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO THIS PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE FUTURE SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THE LEONARD TRAILS NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMERCIAL TRACK. BUT ALL OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN BETWEEN THE LEONARD TRAILS COMMERCIAL TRACKS ARE, IT'S SEVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE EXISTING. SO MY CONCERN IS THERE'S NO SIGN NOW AND HAVE THE NEIGHBORS HAD A CHANCE TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND BE ABLE TO COME ADDRESS US WITH THEIR CONCERNS? THE SIGN IS REQUIRED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, NOT BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE. BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT A NEW SIGN IS PUT UP. DO WE DO MAILERS FOR THIS ONE AS WELL? CORRECT. ANY COMMENTS BACK ON THE MAILERS THAT WERE SENT OUT? NO. OKAY. THAT IS THE HARD PART FOR ME IS THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY OR IT'S ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ALL AROUND IT AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FLIP THIS ENTIRE TRACK TO C-2 . I COULD SEE THE FRONT PORTION BEING C-2 AT SOME POINT, BUT I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO JUST BLANKET THIS WHOLE THING WITH C-2, BECAUSE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN THE BACK? WHY ARE WE GOING STRAIGHT TO C2 AND NOT C1? I'M ASSUMING FOR FLEXIBILITY, BUT WE CAN ASK HIM SINCE HE'S HERE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS A WIDER ARRAY OF CLIENTELE, I GUESS, TO GO IN THERE AS FAR AS DEVELOPERS, WOULD THAT BE WHY YOU'RE GOING WITH C-2? I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU. I'M JUST ASSUMING IT'S GOT A LARGER PROFILE THAT ALLOW DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS. SO IS THAT THE REASON? OKAY, SO IT'S FOR FUTURE EVEN THOUGH THE RESIDENTS ARE STILL THERE. THAT IS CORRECT. HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS? EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN COME DOWN. I'M GOOD WITH YOU. HI, NEIGHBOR. [INAUDIBLE] . COME ON DOWN IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR US AND YOUR ADDRESS. KIMBERLY CHRISTENSEN, 219 EAST WHITE STREET. ANNA. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE TO GET, LIKE, AN EASEMENT FROM ONE FOR THE FIRE FAR LANE AND STUFF, SO WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM. THE SIGN HAS BEEN UP A FEW WEEKS. SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE CALLED. I'VE TALKED TO THEM. I MEAN, WE HAVE NOT DONE A I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE DID A FORMAL. NO, YOU DID OKAY. THE CITY DID. YEAH. HEY, KIM, ON THE MAP. WHICH HOME IS YOURS? FURTHER DOWN. YEAH, I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SMITH, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO BE REZONED TOO. SO. BUT THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO HIM JUST WEST, WE ARE KIND OF REALIGNING THAT LAND AND SHE POSSIBLY WILL BE SELLING OUT. BUT WE'RE REALIGNING THE LAND SO THAT SHE CAN KEEP HER CATTLE THERE AND STUFF. ANY QUESTIONS, GUYS? NO. THANKS, KIM. IT'S THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS PUTTING C-2 TOO EARLY. IS THAT THE ONLY CONCERN? BECAUSE WHAT IF THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR COMES IN AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND WANTS TO MOVE TO C-2 AND WE DECLINE THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO HER? LIKE, WILL THERE BE REGRETS BY DOING THAT? WHAT IF THEY DON'T? DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. YES. WHAT DO YOU THINK, COMMISSIONER VOLLMER? I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO SEE IT RIGHT NOW. LOOKING AT ALL THE HOUSING AROUND IT. AND THEN EVEN THAT LAST COMMENT OF THEIR REZONING IT OR MOVING IT AROUND TO KEEP COWS ON THE PROPERTY. I THINK COMMISSIONER HARDIN HAD A VERY GOOD POINT OF TO JUST BLANKET THE WHOLE THING. C-2 JUST KIND OF FEELS ODD ALONG THERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO ME. THIS IS TO CLARIFY, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE HARD CORNER ON SMITH AND WHITE STREET TO GET A FIRE LANE EASEMENT. [01:05:01] THAT'S, HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S WILLING TO DO THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME NEGOTIATION TO KEEP HER PROPERTY INTACT THE WAY SHE WANTS IT SO SHE SEEMS MORE THAN OKAY HAVING COMMERCIAL NEXT TO HER. HIM OR HER? SORRY. I HATE TO DENY SOMEONE THE ABILITY TO GROW, ESPECIALLY COMING OFF OF WHITE STREET KNOWING ITS POTENTIAL TEN AND 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I KNOW WE MIGHT NOT SEE IT, WE MIGHT NOT BE THERE BUT I'M ALSO NOT A DEVELOPER. SO HE SAID, COMING FROM THE SOUTH, WHERE THERE'S COMMERCIAL UP AGAINST THE WHITE STREET, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEIGHBORHOOD COMING THERE. WHERE IS THAT CONNECTING? UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT [INAUDIBLE], BUT IF YOU SEE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OF THE YELLOW AREA, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE IS THE PLATTED ENTRANCE FOR THE LEONARD TRAILS SUBDIVISION, WHICH WILL ALSO PROVIDE ACCESS ONTO WEST WHITE STREET FOR THE COMMERCIAL TRACT. THAT PROPERTY THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THAT ENTRANCE IS ZONED C-2. THE WEST OF LEONARD TRAIL. SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WHITE LEONARD TRAIL, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE ZONED C-2. OKAY. THEY HAVE ONE TRACK ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, AND THEN THE OTHER TRACK IS ON THE CORNER OF LEONARD AND WHITE FURTHER TO THE EAST. SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION LINES UP WITH WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE. CORRECT. THAT MAKES SENSE THEN. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, COMMISSIONER MARTIN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VOLLMER. AT THIS TIME, ALL COMMISSIONERS PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THE MOTION PASSES THREE IN FAVOR AND TWO OPPOSED. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING/CONSIDER/DISCUSS ACTION REGARDING THE POST AT ANNA ZONING, OWNER IS DOSTI PARTNERS. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, TECHNICALLY IT'S A REPEAL AND REPLACE, BUT IT IS VERY SIMILAR ZONING TO WHAT IS EXISTING TODAY. THE APPLICANT REZONED THE PROPERTY, OR THEY ZONED THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY ANNEXED IN 2003. IT HAS A BASE ZONING OF C-3 PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NO LONGER A ZONING DISTRICT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND WITH THE ALLOWED USE FOR MULTIFAMILY. SO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, IT ALLOWED FOR COMMERCIAL WITH HOTEL BY RIGHT, A BANQUET HALL, AND A MAXIMUM OF 700 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS. UNDER THE PROPOSED ZONING AND CONCEPT PLAN, THEY'RE PROPOSING COMMERCIAL WITH A HOTEL BY RIGHT WITH SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT, FIVE QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANTS, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, AND TWO FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS WITH A MAXIMUM OF 363 DWELLING UNITS. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AS REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IT CONFORMS TO. IT'S LOCATED ON BOTH US HIGHWAY 75 AND COLLIN COUNTY OUTER LOOP, AS WELL AS A PORTION OF FRONTAGE ON FOSTER CROSSING ROAD, AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ALONG COLLIN COUNTY OUTER LOOP. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:13 P.M. DOES COMMISSIONERS HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE, AND IT MAY BE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I'LL ASK YOU FIRST. BACK WHEN WE ORIGINALLY APPROVED THIS FOR ITS ORIGINAL REZONING CASE, WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ON THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE APARTMENTS ASPECT OF IT. WE REALLY LIKED. I THINK THEY WERE PUTTING IN A CONVENTION CENTER WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT PUSHED THE REZONE, [01:10:04] AND THEY HAD THE MULTIFAMILY, AND WE MADE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT LIMITING ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS ONLY AND NOT DOING THREE BEDROOMS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO ADHERE TO? THAT IS NOT PROPOSED IN THE STIPULATIONS. HOWEVER, IT IS THE SAME LAYOUT AS WAS SHOWN PREVIOUSLY. OKAY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROPOSE IF APPROVING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT? THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, SO PREVIOUSLY WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US, THEY DID SAY THE CONVENTION CENTER, RIGHT. THAT'S OUT NOW. SO THE HOTEL THAT'S SHOWN ON HERE IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN, WITH A FEW MINOR TWEAKS. I THINK WHEN IT WAS CONVENTION CENTER, THAT'S WHERE THAT BANQUET HALL DEFINITION CAME IN. AND THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS CONCEPT PLAN. IT WAS A SEPARATE BUILDING SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN BEFORE. THEY HAD MORE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, NOW THEY'RE JUST HAVING ONE SIT DOWN AND THEN FIVE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS. SO ON THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN, IT WAS THE HOTEL, A BANQUET HALL, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE ORANGE THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU WAS MULTIFAMILY. SO THEY'RE TAKING AWAY THAT MULTIFAMILY ENTITLEMENT AND CHANGING IT TO JUST COMMERCIAL. BUT THE PURPLE AREA, THE HOTEL AREA, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP THAT. THAT'S IF I READ THE ADVANCED PAPERWORK CORRECTLY. THEY'RE GIVING THAT OR ALLOCATING THAT TO THE CITY FOR A HOTEL. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. I'LL DEFER TO SOMEONE ELSE. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN. THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO AT SOME POINT DEDICATE THAT HOTEL SITE TO THE CITY FOR THE CITY'S USE TO ATTRACT A HOTEL TO THAT SITE. SO THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE LAND. THEY COULD THE EDC COULD USE IT TO TRY AND ATTRACT THE HOTEL. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN AREN'T THEY ALSO ASKING FOR SEVERAL WAIVERS? I SEE A CHANGE IN THE MAX HEIGHT FROM 25FT TO 70FT. THAT IS CORRECT. GOING FROM A C-1 BASE ZONING LOCAL COMMERCIAL ZONING 70FT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE C-2 ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN GOING FROM 25 UNITS AN ACRE TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. MAKING A SMALLER BEDROOM, SMALLER ONE BEDROOM FOR 600 TO 450. AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING, THE GREEN SPACE. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A LOT OF WAIVERS. AS FAR AS THE DENSITY, ONE THING THAT THEY ARE CHANGING FROM THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN IS THAT THEY ARE NOT INCLUDING THAT RESERVOIR SPACE, THE AREA IN GREEN AS PART OF THE LOT. UNDER THE PREVIOUS ZONING AND CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL DENSITY. SO THEY'RE LEAVING IT OPEN. CORRECT. IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DID THE STUDY? DID THEY FINALLY GET THEIR RESULTS BACK ON A FLOODPLAIN STUDY? THE FIS DO WE KNOW IF THEY DID ONE? I KNOW THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD ONE IN MOTION WHEN WE ORIGINALLY APPROVED THE REZONE, AND THAT IT TAKES TIME, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IT TAKES UP TO TWO YEARS TO DO ONE OF THOSE. BUT IS THIS WITH THE REALLOCATED FLOOD ZONE LINES? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY THEY PULLED THEIR PARKING LOT OUT OF IT SO. THAT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE. SO IS THIS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER THAT CAME BEFORE US TO HAVE IT REZONED? PREVIOUSLY? THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE ENGINEERING FIRM HAS NOT CHANGED, BUT THE DEVELOPER HAS. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE THE SAME PERSON. I'M GONNA LET YOU BAIL OUT. WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK TO YOU. DON'T GET YOUR SEAT TOO WARM. ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? AND DO THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU. ARE YOU NERVOUS OR ARE YOU JUST NOT HERE? I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE SPEAKER CARDS. FIRST ONE I'M GOING TO CALL UP IS JIM LUSCOMB. IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [01:15:04] MY NAME IS JIM LUSCOMB. I LIVE AT 1303 WEST FOSTER CROSSEN. UP THE ROAD FROM WHERE THIS IS GOING IN. AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK AS OPPOSED TO THIS. A COUPLE OF ISSUES IN MY PAPER THAT I HANDED OUT, I INCLUDED SOMETHING I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PASS OUT TO ALL OF THE FOLKS THERE ON THE DAIS, AND IT'S A PICTURE OF THE TRAFFIC THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING, JUNE 2ND AT 7:34 ON OUTER LOOP AND 75 RIGHT WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING IN. AND THAT TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP ALMOST TO THE CEMETERY ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK. AND THIS HAPPENS EVERY MORNING. IF WE PUT MORE APARTMENTS IN THERE AND FEED THOSE APARTMENTS INTO THIS SITUATION, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE. SO YOU KNOW THAT THE WHOLE CITY, THE FOLKS THAT ARE VOTING ARE DOWN ON APARTMENTS. WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE APARTMENTS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A FEW APARTMENTS, BUT IT'S STILL APARTMENTS. YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPER COULD PUT IN COMMERCIAL AND STILL GET HIS MONEY OUT OF IT. HE COULD WAIT UNTIL OUTER LOOP GETS FIXED. SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE. IF THIS HAS TO GO IN WHERE THIS STUFF COMES OUT ON WEST FOSTER CROSSING AND 75, YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONER, FIREBLOCKS. YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY JUST TO NOT HAVE THAT TRAFFIC COME OUT HERE? AND I KNOW WE'D HAVE TO BUILD A BRIDGE TO GET OVER THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THERE USED TO BE A BRIDGE THERE BACK BEFORE THE OUTER LOOP WAS IN, SO I KNOW IT'S DOABLE. TAKE THAT TRAFFIC ON BACK OUT TO 75 OR SOME OTHER WAY AND THEN. SO WE JUST DON'T NEED THE TRAFFIC. WE DON'T NEED THE APARTMENTS. I'M GOING TO URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS APARTMENT PART OF THIS AND LET THEM COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE AND I WAS HERE WHEN THE, THE THESE FOLKS PITCHED TO THE COUNCIL AND GOT OUR COUNCIL ALL EXCITED ABOUT. WE'RE GETTING THE HOTEL. WE'RE GETTING THE CONVENTION CENTER, MAN. WE'RE GETTING SOME GREAT STUFF OUT HERE. AND NOW THEY'RE KIND OF PULLING IT BACK FROM YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GETTING A GREAT SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, NOW WE'RE GETTING FIVE MORE DRIVE THRUS. YOU KNOW HOW MANY MORE? HOW MANY MORE JACK IN THE BOXES DO WE NEED? YOU KNOW, FOLKS, LET'S HOLD THESE PEOPLE FEET TO THE FIRE. AND THE REASON THEY'RE GAVE UP ON THAT GREEN SPACE, IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, YOU CAN'T HARDLY BUILD ANYTHING ON IT. IT'S ALL STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GIVING YOU ANYTHING. AND AS FAR AS THIS ISSUE OF GOING FROM 700 TO 350 APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MANIPULATIVE NEGOTIATION. YOU KNOW, I'LL BUILD I'LL GIVE UP THE 700 IF YOU GIVE ME THE 350. WELL, THAT'S JUST KIND OF A COERCION TACTIC. YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T NEED THEM AT ALL. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15? YES WE DID, WE GOT QUITE A FEW EMAILS. SO I WILL RECOMMEND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO, PLEASE READ THEM. THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FROM THE PECAN GROVE AREA OR TRAVEL THROUGH THIS AREA VERY FREQUENTLY THAT ARE OPPOSED TO IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS. SO MAKE SURE YOU LOOK AT THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND THE EMAILS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US AT THE DAIS. IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE IT AT 7:23 P.M. AND CONFINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S MORE FOR THE APPLICANT. THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT DOESN'T MAKE ME HAPPY. WHICH ALSO MAKES ME NOT WANT TO VOTE ON IT, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN PROVIDE A STRONG VOTE WITHOUT HAVING ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL. WE CAN TALK THROUGH IT, EXPLAIN HOW WE FEEL. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE PULLING THE WOOL OVER OUR FACES, I GUESS TO SAY YES. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET A CONVENTION CENTER. YES, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET RETAIL SPACE. YES, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO GET APARTMENTS, WE HAD SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE APARTMENTS TO 1 TO 2 BEDROOMS, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT COMING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 75 FOR COLLIN COLLEGE, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE APARTMENTS THERE. I'M NOT AGAINST APARTMENTS, MAYBE AGAINST THEM RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT AGAINST THE LOCATION BECAUSE OF COLLIN COLLEGE, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S A WAYS OUT. I DON'T LIKE THE ENTRY POINTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE TO EVEN ASK QUESTIONS, TO EVEN ASK WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO CHANGE, TO EVEN ASK WHY THEY MADE THE CHANGES THAT THEY DID AND WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING WHAT THEY ARE. SO COME BACK TO ME. [01:20:09] WHAT'S EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS? I WANT TO UNDERSTAND REAL QUICK JUST TO CONFIRM. SO BY RIGHT TODAY, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OPPOSED TO THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT BY RIGHT, THEY CAN DO MULTIFAMILY TODAY. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT. WE'RE JUST CHANGING SOME THINGS HERE. AND I'M NOT AGAINST MULTIFAMILY BEING ON THERE, BUT HOW CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT, HOW CAN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, OR EXITS OR ENTRYWAYS OR INQUIRY ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN AREA WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE TO ADDRESS IT? RIGHT? OKAY. SO IF WE HAVE TO FORCE A VOTE TODAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GET A BIG NO FROM ME. IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SHOW UP AT THE NEXT MEETING AND WE TABLE IT FOR A VOTE ON THAT DATE, THEN I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, IF YOU VOTE NO ON THIS, THEN YOU'RE JUST YOU HAVE WHAT YOU HAD. CORRECT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. DO WE HAVE A MAP OF WHAT WAS WHAT'S APPROVED FOR THERE? WAS THAT IN YOUR SLIDE? IT IS NOT IN MY SLIDESHOW, BUT I CAN PULL IT UP. CAN YOU PULL IT UP FOR US JUST SO WE CAN SEE A COMPARISON? I MEAN, WE NEED TO REMEMBER WE CAN JUST MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TURN DOWN ANYTHING THAT WE PROPOSE, EVEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MOTION TO TABLE. BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT. YEAH I'M GOING TO WAIT AND SEE THIS. CHAIR. I JUST ALSO WANTED TO JUST REMIND YOU ALL THAT A NO VOTE TONIGHT WOULD THIS WOULD STILL GO ON TO COUNCIL, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE FROM COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT. SO JUST I WOULD ASK THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, THEN THE APPLICANT BE PRESENT. YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF CREATED THE STORM THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUPERMAJORITY BY NOT SHOWING UP, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, AND WE CAN ARGUE SEMANTICS ON IF THIS IS DRAMATICALLY CHANGING IT OR NOT, BUT IT'S ENOUGH CHANGE THAT I THINK IT WARRANTED SOMEONE BEING HERE TO SPEAK TO IT. I THINK THE MAP YOU HAD UP BEFORE THEY SHOWED IT, IT'S BASICALLY A FEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE RUNNING ALONG US HIGHWAY 75 NOW, BECOMING DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, JUST SWITCHING THAT OUT. [INAUDIBLE]. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT LESS DENSITY THAN WHAT THEY CAN DO TODAY. SO IF I READ IT RIGHT FOR 900 UNITS AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN TO 650. AND THEY'RE REALLY JUST TAKING THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND MAKING IT FROM APARTMENT COMPLEXES INTO RESTAURANTS AND A GAS STATION. I MEAN, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT BAD IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. AND LOOK, THE IDEA OF A CONVENTION CENTER, IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A CONVENTION CENTER. THIS IS NOT A CONVENTION CENTER SITE. THERE'S NO WAY THE PARKING COULD HANDLE IT. YEAH. THIS LOWERS THE DENSITY OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE OVER HERE. I GET IT, IT'S GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF QSRS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO BE AT THE OUTER LOOP AND IN 75, I MEAN, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE. YOU'D ALMOST THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP TRAFFIC ON WHITE STREET. IT'S GOING TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE COLLIN COUNTY A LITTLE BIT, OR THE OUTER LOOP A LITTLE BIT FASTER TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THERE. KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S GOING TO DRAW MORE PEOPLE TO THAT AREA NOW THAT AREN'T DOING THAT, LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GET OFF ON THE OUTER LOOP VERSUS WHITE STREET TO COME BACK AROUND TO GET TO HERE. SO THAT'S GOING TO FLOOD MORE PEOPLE THAT DIRECTION. AND IN THE MORNING HOURS, TOO, WHICH I THINK SEEMS TO BE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF CONCERN AND ALL THE EMAILS AND PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE. IT'S JUST ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE WE'RE BUILDING FASTER THAN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WILL HANDLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE 'TILL THE OUTER LOOP IS FOUR LANES. YEARS I'M SURE. MY BIGGEST QUESTION TO THE DEVELOPER IS LIKE THE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING ONE OF THEIR FIRE LANE LOOP COMING ONTO FOSTER. WHAT IS THAT? FOSTER WEST CROSSING. FOSTER CROSSING. I DON'T LIKE THAT. IS THERE NOT ANOTHER WAY TO GET THEIR SECOND POINT OF EGRESS OR NOT ON THAT ROAD? WELL THERE'S TWO. THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD, CORRECT. FOSTER CROSSING IS A CITY ROAD. OUTER LOOP IS THE COUNTY ROAD. [01:25:11] IF THEY COME OUT ON FOSTER CROSSING, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TO GET ONTO FOSTER CROSSING, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TO GET ON THE OUTER LOOP. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO THAT WAY ANYWAY. WELL, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS TOO. BUT COULD THEY TIE IN OVER TO THE RETAIL. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CIVIL ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE TO TRY TO GET BY, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TO ANSWER THAT. SO BUT LOOKING AT THEIR GRADING PLAN THAT'S IN THE BACKGROUND, I CAN SEE THAT. I KNOW WE CAN'T CONSIDER TRAFFIC, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIG POINT OF CONTINGENCY. WHAT IF WE HOLD THE MEETING OPEN? DOES IT NOT? CAN IT NOT GO TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT? IF WE HOLD THE MEETING OPEN TONIGHT AND TABLE IT FOR NON VOTE, CAN WE CARRY THAT ON TO THE NEXT P AND Z. AND THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL? IS THAT CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. THAT WAY WE'RE NOT PUSHING IT TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A VOTE. WE STILL HAVE TIME TO THINK, SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I AGREE TO TABLE. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE APPLICANT ? TO SEE IF THEY'LL DO A DIFFERENT EXIT OFF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE EGRESS. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY ASPECT. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE 1 TO 2 BEDROOMS. I MEAN, IF WE PASS IT THROUGH NOW, THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO GET CAUGHT OR HAVE ANY KIND OF DEAL IS IF CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDS IT. I MEAN, I GUESS WE CAN VOTE AND RECOMMEND THAT OURSELVES. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE JUST TAKING THESE APARTMENTS OVER ON THE SOUTHWEST, THEY'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING ELSE. ARE YOU OPPOSED TO JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE SAME STIPULATIONS PLACED ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? YEAH. I'M NOT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M MAKING IT LESS DENSE. RIGHT. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT.CHANGE. RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX THAT. AND MAYBE NOW THEY COME IN AND FIX IT FASTER, AT LEAST AT THAT INTERSECTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TURN THIS PROPERTY OVER VERY FAST. AND IT'S TAKING THREE, FOUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES OUT OF THE CITY. YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S KIND OF A WIN. THAT'S WHAT WE KEEP HEARING. SO, LAUREN, IF I READ THEIR REQUEST FOR VARIANCES, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE SAYING 450 SINGLE FAMILY, ONE BEDROOM UNITS, PLUS 200 SINGLE, PROBABLY NOT SINGLE FAMILY. ADDITIONAL BEDROOM. IT DIDN'T SAY ONE BEDROOM OR TWO ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS. BUT IS IT JUST ONE ADDITIONAL BEDROOM? IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD READ THAT? DON'T KNOW. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. PLEASE. [INAUDIBLE]. BUT ALSO, THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THE HOTEL THEMSELVES. IF I LOOK AT THIS REQUEST FOR CHANGES BY BOWLER ON THE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SAYS OPEN SPACE, IS THAT REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, OR IS IT TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE REQUIRED? SO THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE OPEN SPACE. JUST AS A REMINDER, IN 2023, WE DID A OVERHAUL OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WHERE WE TOOK OUT SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS IN REGARDS TO OPEN SPACE, AND WE FORGOT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE. AND SO WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR MULTIFAMILY IS 600FT² FOR THE FIRST BEDROOM AND 300FT² FOR EACH ADDITIONAL BEDROOM. SO TWO BEDROOM UNIT REQUIRES 900FT² OF OPEN SPACE. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT TO 450 FOR THE FIRST BEDROOM AND 200 FOR EACH ADDITIONAL BEDROOM. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING AT IT ALL WRONG. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CHANGE MY TUNE. I MEAN, I GUESS I'M READY TO VOTE, BUT I'M GOING TO VOTE IT THROUGH WITH STIPULATIONS IF I VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. YEAH, I THINK I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE CARRIED OVER FROM BEFORE, BUT ARE YOU THINKING OF STIPULATING, NOT GIVING THEM THAT VARIANCE OF 600 DOWN TO 450? YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. I CAN GET THAT. SO WILL YOU MAKE THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND YOU. BUT THE ONE THING I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR ON IS THE 70FT. THE 70 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. YEAH. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE, SO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, THE ENTIRE SITE, THE BASE ZONING IS C-3. THEY'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE IT TO C-1 ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT CREEK SPACE, THE FLOODPLAIN SPACE INTO MULTIFAMILY ON THE EAST SIDE. UNDER THE C-1 ZONING DISTRICT, IT RESTRICTS WHAT USES CAN BE ALLOWED, BUT IT HAS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT OF ONE STORY, SO THEY'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THAT TO MATCH THE C-2 ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS 70FT. [01:30:03] SO THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE THE ORANGE AND THIS MAP. THE ORANGE AND THE HOTEL SITE. SO NOWHERE NEAR THE HOUSES AND THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD. OKAY. CORRECT. I'M SORRY. THEY WANT THE ORANGE TO BE 70FT ORANGE AND PURPLE. CORRECT. THE PURPLE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A HOTEL, BUT WHY DO YOU NEED 70FT FOR RESTAURANTS? BECAUSE I WANT A HIDE AWAY PIZZA PLACE THAT'S TWO STORY WITH AN OPEN PATIO. TWO STORIES, 50FT. [LAUGHTER] OKAY. SEEMS HIGH. THEY NEED, LIKE, 9000FT. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO WARN A SIDE STORY RESTAURANT [LAUGHTER]. I SAW A LAZY DOG ON THE PRESENTATION EARLIER. YEAH. COULD WE, CAN WE LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO, LIKE, LEAVE THE C-1 HEIGHT FOR THE COMMERCIAL, BUT ALLOW IN THE HOTEL PORTION? THAT CAN BE PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, I WOULD DO THAT. ANYBODY WRITING THESE DOWN? I'M TRYING. TO ALLOW THE C-1 FOR THE HEIGHT INCREASE TO THE 70, BUT RESTRICT THEM ON THE RESTAURANTS TO THE REGULAR C-1 HEIGHT, WHICH WAS 25. YEAH. SO 70FT FOR THE HOTEL AND THEN 25 FOR THE C-1 IN ORANGE . IS IT SUFFICIENT IN A RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THE SAME STIPULATIONS THEY HAD TO MAKE UP ON THE MULTIFAMILY IN THE PRIOR AGREEMENT, OR DO WE HAVE TO RESTATE THOSE? SO JUST LET ME CLARIFY. UNDER THE PREVIOUS ZONING ORDINANCE, THE RESTRICTIONS FOR MULTIFAMILY WAS THAT IT WAS A MAXIMUM OF 700 TOTAL UNITS. MAXIMUM OF 210 OF THOSE UNITS, MAYBE TWO AND THREE BEDROOM. SO IS THAT THE SPECIFIC ONE STIPULATION YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP? BECAUSE THE PARKING WE ACTUALLY UPDATED OUR PARKING CURRENTLY TODAY TO MATCH WHAT THEY HAD IN THEIR ZONING. AND. THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT THEY CHANGED. THE STIPULATIONS WERE JUST THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE. WAS THE MAXIMUM WAS THE CAP ON THE MULTI BEDROOM UNITS. WHAT WERE THE NUMBERS AGAIN. ON THE PREVIOUS ZONING IT WAS 210 UNITS MAYBE TWO AND THREE BEDROOM. SO OUT OF THE 700, 210? CORRECT. I KNOW I DIDN'T MAKE THAT UP. DIDN'T WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS ONLY? I DON'T REMEMBER WE GIVING THEM AN OKAY FOR 200 OF THEM. I CAN'T REMEMBER. I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP, I PROMISE Y'ALL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT MORE MULTIFAMILY AND HAVING A LOT OF THREE BEDROOMS AND TRAFFIC FLOW RIGHT UP ON FOSTER CROSSING AND OUTER LOOP AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE COLLEGE BEING OVER THERE AND THAT THEY WERE TRYING THEY GOT UP HERE AND GAVE A SPEECH AND A SLIDE SHOW AND SAID THAT THEIR IDEA CLIENTELE WOULD BE COLLEGE STUDENTS, THAT IT WOULD BE 1 TO 2 BEDROOM APARTMENTS. I KNOW I DIDN'T MAKE THAT UP, SO IS THAT SO? SINCE WE ALREADY APPROVED IT, I GUESS WE CAN'T RESTRICT THEM. ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHEN IT COMES TO MULTIFAMILY IS THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING AND OPEN SPACE, WHICH RESTRICTS THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS THAT THEY CAN HAVE. THE MORE BEDROOMS YOU HAVE, THE MORE PARKING SPACES AND THE MORE OPEN SPACE YOU HAVE TO HAVE. WELL, SINCE THEY CHANGED THE UNIT QUANTITIES, CAN WE RESTRICT THEM TO THE SAME RATIO OF THE 700 TO 210 UNITS. IF WE CAN'T RESTRICT THEM TO ONE AND TWO ONLY, CAN WE RESTRICT THEM TO THE SAME RATIO THAT THEY WERE ALREADY. YOU CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY PROPOSING 383 UNITS. YEAH, BUT THEY ORIGINALLY THEY HAD LIKE 900 AND SOMETHING UNITS. CORRECT. AND 700 AND 210 OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE 2 TO 3 BEDROOMS. SO I'M SAYING CAN WE RESTRICT THEM USING THAT SAME MATH RATIO AND SAY OF THE NEW UNITS, THE 200 OR 300 THAT THEY HAVE, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THE SAME PERCENTAGE AS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL. SO I'M NOT DOING THE MATH. I'M NOT PULLING OUT A CALCULATOR. BUT IF IT WAS, 15% OF THE UNITS CAN BE TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS, THEN THAT'S ALL YOU STILL GET EVEN THOUGH YOU DOWNSIZE THE APARTMENT QUANTITY SIZE. IF I CAN'T RESTRICT THEM TO ONE AND TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO RESTRICT HOW MANY THEY BRING IN. YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. BUT AREN'T YOU INVITING MORE TRAFFIC BY ASKING HIM TO DO A LOT MORE ONE BEDROOMS. SO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE CONCEPT PLAN IS 271 BEDROOM UNITS AND [01:35:10] 93 TWO BEDROOM UNITS. ACCORDING TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, THERE ARE NO THREE BEDROOM UNITS. SO TYPICALLY IN THE PAST, WE HAVE WRITTEN INTO THE PD TO KEEP IT AT CLOSE TO THOSE NUMBERS. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS NOTHING CHANGING WITH THE MULTIFAMILY, OTHER THAN THE OPEN SPACE NOT GETTING HERE. AND THEN FOR THE C-1, HEIGHT IS 70 FOOT ONLY AT THE HOTEL, 25 FOOT FOR ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANT AREA. CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. I LIKE THAT. I'M STILL NOT LIKING THEM COMING OUT ONTO WEST FOSTER CROSSING ROAD. THAT IS A TONGUE TWISTER. IS THERE NOT A WAY THAT THEY CAN DO SOME CIVIL CHANGES TO MAKE THE CONNECTION TO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT? THERE IS A WAY. THE AREA, AND I DON'T HAVE A POINTER. THE AREA IN THE YELLOW THAT'S KIND OF BETWEEN THE, YEAH, IF YOU COULD, NOT THAT WAY, TO THE WEST. YES. SO THAT AREA I BELIEVE, IS A CREEK. SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONNECT OR CONNECT THE SITE TO THE ORANGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD, I BELIEVE, A BRIDGE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE RUB COMES IN, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, AS AN ENGINEER, BRIDGES ARE EXPENSIVE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO RIGHT THERE. THEY NEVER INTENDED TO CONNECT THOSE. OKAY, THAT'S. THEY SHIFTED OVER THIS ENTRANCE TO ALIGN WITH THIS FIRE LANE, AND THEN WE HAD THEM SHIFT OVER THIS TO ALIGN BETTER WITH THE FIRE LANE. SO IT MOVED FURTHER TO THE EAST. SO FROM A USABILITY STANDPOINT, NOT HAVING CONNECTION TO THE RESTAURANTS DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME, BUT. I THINK IT COULD BE A PRETTY FEATURE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO JUST BUILD THE BRIDGE. I'VE SEEN THOSE DONE IN DALLAS. I'VE SEEN THEM DONE IN PLANO, MCKINNEY, IT'S A PRETTY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT THE HOTEL WITHIN THE C-1 AREA OR THE HOTEL AREA WAS RESTRICTED TO THE 70 FOOT, BUT ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS IN C-1 AND COMMERCIAL HAVE A 25 FOOT TOP. AND THEN FOR THE MULTIFAMILY THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET THE BASE OPEN SPACE OF 600FT² FOR ONE BEDROOM UNIT, PLUS 300FT² FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL BEDROOM. SO NOT GIVING THE VARIANCE AS REQUESTED. I'LL SECOND. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VOLLMER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HERMANN. THIS MATTER IS NOW OPEN FOR VOTE. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. MOTION PASSES FOR FOUR AND ONE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? INSIGHTS? WORDS OF WISDOM. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I KNOW WE ARE DOWN TWO, BUT I THINK IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH. I KNOW WE HAD A COUPLE OF HARD CONVERSATION TOPICS ON THE AGENDA. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND, AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 7:44 P.M.. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.