Jul 23, 2024 City Council Meeting

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

[1. Call to Order, Roll Call, and Establishment of Quorum. ]

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IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON OPEN SESSION AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE OPINION SPEAKER REGISTRATION FORM AND TURN IT INTO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS.

ALL THE CARDS THAT I HAVE HERE ARE ALL FOR THE NEIGHBORS COMMENTS.

THAT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.

FIRST UP, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

WE HAVE NO MISSING COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS EVENING.

COUNCILMAN BILLS, WOULD YOU LEAD THIS IN THE INVOCATION PLEDGE, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU ON THIS WONDERFUL DAY THAT YOU GIVE TO US.

WE WANT TO LIFT THE CITY UP IN PRAYER.

WE WANT TO LOOK TO YOU FOR GUIDANCE, PATIENCE, AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT AFFECTS US.

IT AFFECTS ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WHETHER THEY BE IN THE CITY OR WHETHER THEY BE IN THE ETJ.

LORD, PLEASE BE WITH US AS WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT THEY BE STEADFAST AND THEY BE THE APPROPRIATE DECISIONS BASED OFF OF THE DIRECTION FOR THIS CITY.

IN YOUR HEAVENLY NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN.

>> COUNCILMAN.

[3. Neighbor Comments. ]

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN ITEM ON THIS MEETING AGENDA THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

ALSO AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT IN THIS MEETING AGENDA.

EACH PERSON WILL BE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

NO DISCUSSION OR ACTION MAY BE TAKEN AT THIS MEETING ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A CITIZENS INQUIRY OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY.

FIRST UP IN NEIGHBORS COMMENTS THIS EVENING IS NICOLE HUNT.

>> HI. I AM NICOLE HUNT.

I LIVE AT 244 BELFORD STREET, SOUTH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHAT YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IN ITEM 5A, WHICH IS THE NORTH POINT CROSSING RAVINE.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, COUNCIL AND MAYOR, THAT I AM JUST SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE EVEN CONSIDERING OUR PROBLEM.

I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY HAVING OUR HOA BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU.

OR YOU ACTUALLY TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST US.

I'M JUST GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

I'M HERE JUST HUMBLY TO ASK THE CITY TO PLEASE CONSIDER FIXING OUR RAVINE AS BEST YOU CAN.

I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT.

MY HOUSE OVERLOOKS IT AND WHEN WE GET REALLY HEAVY DOWNPOURS, THE CREEKS DO RISE SWIFTLY AND IT CAN BE VERY FRIGHTENING TO SEE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF JUST EROSION.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY THOUGHT AND CONSIDERED MANY THINGS.

I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT.

I'M JUST GRATEFUL, AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO IT, AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ROBBIE SILL.

>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ROBBIE SILL.

I LIVE AT THE 217 MASH COURT DANA. IMPORTANT POINT.

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF OUR HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I JUST WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU REAL QUICK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT 5A.

FIRST, I WANT TO THANK GREG FOR WORKING WITH ME, STARTED WITH YOU AND THANK YOU, RYAN.

IT'S ALL A PROBLEM.

THEY'VE WORKED WITH ME. THEY SENT PEOPLE OUT.

THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO YOU TODAY SHOWING YOU WHAT I BELIEVE AND WHAT I THINK THEY BELIEVE IS A PROBLEM.

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IT IS A PRIVATE TRACT OF LAND THAT HAS AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, WATER RUNNING THROUGH IT THAT IS A MAJORITY OF IT IS, AND I CAN'T FIX IT.

WE TRIED TO GET A LOAN AND IT INVOLVED A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. I COULDN'T GET PAST.

ANY MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND ASK.

IF IT HELPED FOR ME TO COME AROUND THIS IS AND BEG THAT HELP. I NEED.

I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IT.

FOR MY COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO PERHAPS OTHER COMMUNITIES AND FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY CAN COME AND NOT BE AFRAID TO.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TERRELL CULBERTSON.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS TERRELL CULBERTSON.

I LIVE AT 104-29 COUNTY ROAD 289 IN ANNA.

I JUST HAVE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO YOU THIS EVENING.

I NEED TO TAKE JUST A BRIEF FEW SECONDS HERE AND I HAVE A VISUAL FOR YOU THAT I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT.

THAT'S 40 FEET. IF I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING PREVIOUS COUNCIL FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS.

ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, EVERY ONE OF THOSE BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, OWNERS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROPER TERM IS.

THE FIRST THING THEY ASK FOR IS TO REDUCE THE LOT SIZE TO 40 FEET.

THE NEXT TIME THAT SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU AND ASK FOR A 40 FOOT LOT, THAT'S IT.

IT'S NOT AS BIG AS THIS CHAMBER.

PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DALE CHURCH.

>> THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY, IS THANK EACH ONE OF YOU PEOPLE TO TAKE YOUR TIME UP HERE EVERY WEEK.

LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE COMPLAINT.

I'M UP HERE NOT TO COMPLAIN.

I'M UP HERE TO MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS.

FIRST OFF, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M DALE CHURCH.

THAT'S WITH ONE L. THAT'S MY WIFE, JOYCE, SHE'S 29 AGAIN I'M 81.

WE'VE LIVED OUT HERE IN ANNA FOR 56 YEARS.

WE MOVED OUT HERE FROM DALLAS TO RAISE KIDS IN A COUNTRY ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY COULD HAVE HORSES AND COWS AND PIG.

WE'VE SEEN THE RESULTS OF THAT AS OUR CHILDREN HAVE GOTTEN OLDER.

IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD.

WE'VE TAKEN WE BOUGHT 10.5 ACRES.

ON THAT 10.5 ACRES, WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO RAISE BEES AND WE WANTED TO HAVE A PLACE FOR CRITTERS TO LIVE.

MAINLY MY WIFE AND I.

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ONE OF THEM IS A FINANCIAL ADVISOR VERY WELL.

OUR DAUGHTER IS COORDINATOR FOR NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS 911.

SHE'S RESPONSIBLE TO ALL YOU PEOPLE.

SHE'S ACCOUNTABLE TO ALL PEOPLE.

THEN WE HAVE CHRISTOPHER, WHO'S A MASTER ELECTRICIAN, AND OUR DAUGHTER, KELLY, WHO'S A SENIOR MEDICAL ASSISTANT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY KNOW IS THAT PROGRESS IS NECESSARY.

IT HAS TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE TO GROW.

BUT THE THING I DO IS WE NEED TO GROW AT A CONTROLLED RATE.

WE JUST DON'T NEED TO GO CRAZY AND LET EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO BUILD BUILD.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO BUILD WITH THE INTENT OF KEEPING US AS A COUNTRY TOWN.

I LOOK AROUND HERE AND, MY FIRST TOWN MEETING I EVER WENT TO WAS IT BUDDY HAYES BANK, AND NOBODY HARDLY WAS THERE.

TO SEE ALL YOU PEOPLE SERVE AND DOING THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING, IT DOES MY HEART GOOD TO KNOW THAT THE TORCH HAS BEEN HANDED TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THAT YOU'RE CARRYING THE TORCH HIGH AND WELL.

ONE OF THE [OVERLAPPING]

>> I DON'T THINK HE HEARS YOU.

>> REALLY STRIKES ME IS THE DEDICATION TO YOU PEOPLE PUT.

YOU HAVE A BLESSED WEEK AND REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL.

WE'RE JUST HERE TO BE STEWARDS OF HIS KINGDOM. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, DALE.

>> DO I KNOW YOU? [LAUGHTER]

>> MAYBE SO.

G TEMESRI.

HOW BAD WAS THAT? SORRY.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]

>> GOOD GRIEF. NO.

>> I LIVE AT 98 ROAD 288 IN TEXAS.

I'M HERE FOR PREVIOUS AGAINST THIS DEVELOPER, [INAUDIBLE] OPEN THEIR EYES.

THE REASON I'M AGAINST THIS IS PART OF WHAT SEEING WHAT THE P&Z HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.

SECOND WAS ALL THE REQUESTS THAT THEY HAD TO CHANGE.

LOT SIZES, ROADS, SEE IT STARTS GOING UP.

AS AN ARCHITECT, MAY TO A DEVELOPER, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY VITAL TO THE DEVELOPER. THE ROAD CURVES.

ALL THE SAFETY THINGS IT'S NOT FOR THE CODES AND RULES ARE OFF.

THESE LAWS ARE FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY AND THE DEVELOPERS.

WE START COMPACTING HOUSES.

YES, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS OFF OF US.

BUT ALSO, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CRIME RATES, ALL THAT, MORE WE PACK PEOPLE GET INTO THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THAT.

PLEASE ASK THEM TO JUST LOOK AT THEIR DEVELOPMENT, RE-PLAN THAT OUT.

FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN MOSTLY SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS.

PLEASE TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST.

THEY WANT TO KEEP SQUEEZING AND SQUEEZING.

I'M GOING TO BE BACK UP HERE AGAIN.

SOMEONE'S TRYING TO SQUEEZE 10 FOOT BACK YARDS FROM MY HOUSE TO THEIRS.

WE'RE ALL GREAT NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE GOT BIG SPACES BETWEEN US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. TIMAZARI, IS THAT RIGHT? MR. T, THANK YOU.

JANET SMITH, STRESA SMITH FOR JANET SMITH?

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>> GOOD EVENING. ON BEHALF OF JANET SMITH AT 10468 COUNTY ROAD 288.

HER HOME IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THE LIBERTY HILLS DEVELOPMENT.

SHE WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THE VISION STATEMENT FROM THE ANNA 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE FOLLOWING IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM CHAPTER 1 OF THE ANNA 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ANNA 2050 VISION STATEMENT BASED ON HERITAGE AND BUILT ON INNOVATION.

BY 2050, ANNA IS THE DIVERSE AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY BALANCING BIG CITY ASSETS WITH HOMETOWN CHARACTER, WHERE NEIGHBORS OF ALL AGES, RACES, AND ABILITIES ENJOY A PREMIER COMMUNITY WITH THE HOMES, JOBS, AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES THEY NEED TO THRIVE.

THIS PLAN WAS DEVELOPED AND INVOLVED FROM INPUT FROM CITY OFFICIALS, REPRESENTATIVES, FROM NEIGHBORS, TO KIMLEY-HORN CONSULTING FIRM DURING 2020, RELEASED IN 2021.

AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME, MONEY, AND ENERGY WAS SPENT TO CREATE THIS PLAN.

ITS PURPOSE WAS TO PROVIDE A FOUNDATION FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSING, MOBILITY, PARKS AND TRAILS.

INDEED, IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT IS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR THE FUTURE OF ANNA.

YOU'LL FIND IN THE CHAPTER 2 STRATEGIC DIRECTION MAP, AND THE CHAPTER 3, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, PLANS FOR THE AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF HURRICANE CREEK, TO BE RANCHING, AGRICULTURE, OR ESTATE RESIDENTIAL.

LIBERTY HILLS IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING TO REZONE THE ACREAGE AROUND COUNTY ROAD 290, 1101 AND 289 TO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND SMALL LOTS.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FUTURE TO RETAIN THE PEACE AND BEAUTY IN THIS AREA.

THOSE WHO ARE NEW TO THIS AREA RELIED ON THESE PLANS AND FELT SECURE THAT THIS AREA WOULD RETAIN THE COUNTRY LIFESTYLE.

WE DID NOT EXPECT HIGH DENSITY OR MULTIFAMILY HOMES.

ALL THE HOMES IN THIS AREA ARE ON AN ACRE OR MORE.

ANNA NEEDS LARGE LOTS WITH LARGE HOMES TO ACCOMMODATE EXECUTIVES AND PROFESSIONALS MOVING INTO THIS AREA, PROVIDING ECONOMIC STABILITY FOR THE FUTURE OF ANNA AND ADDING THE DIVERSITY THAT ANNA IS LACKING.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING ON BEHALF OF JANET SMITH.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. SEAN SMITH?

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS SEAN SMITH, 11089 COUNTY ROAD 289 ANNA, TEXAS.

I'M GOING TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE TOPIC OF THE MONTH, WHICH SEEMS TO BE TRANSPARENCY.

I'M SENSING A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RESIDENTS COMING UP HERE AT THE LAST MINUTE, I OBVIOUSLY THE RESIDENTS WITH THESE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING OR WHEN THIS WORK IS HAPPENING, BUT I'VE GONE THROUGH I GO THROUGH THE NOTICES AND AND I'M NOT SEEING ANY OF FORUM OR WHEN THIS ACTIVITY IS GOING ON.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S SOME WORK GOING ON.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING SOME OF THE TRANSPARENCY.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED MAYBE GET IN EARLIER POINT WHERE WE CAN AVOID THIS FRUSTRATION.

I KNOW IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SCHOOL GOING IN OVER THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OFF OF 290 AND 288, THERE'S 90 ACRES THAT HAS BEEN BOUGHT BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES THERE.

ALL THIS IS A SEGUE INTO WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS LIBERTY HILLS.

I'M NOT AGAINST THE ANNEXATION.

ENTIRELY AT THE ANNEXATION WITH THE ZOOMING THAT IS BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.

IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DEVELOPERS WHO ARE DOING ONE-ACRE LOTS, NOT DOWN THERE IN PRINCETON, DOWN IN MARKED DATA, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SELLING. THEY'RE SOLD OUT.

THERE ARE SOME OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE THREE, FOUR CAR GARAGE, ANYWHERE FROM 3,300-5,100, RANGING FROM 600,000 OF WHATEVER THEY WANT TO GO TO.

THERE IS A MARKET OUT THERE. THEY CAN GO TO BUILD.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

I'M AGAINST THE CONCESSIONS THAT THIS BUILDER IS WANTING TO DO IN THIS AREA.

THEY'RE WANTING TO INCREASE THE FOOT OF THE HOUSE ON LAND, LIFT 70, 60%.

REDUCE THE YARD SIZE, SIDEWALKS FROM SIX FEET TO FIVE FEET.

THE PLAY LOTS, PLAYGROUNDS, I GUESS, IS 3,000-1,000 SQUARE FEET, DOG PARKS FROM 5,000 TO 2,500.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND SQUEEZE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.

THE ALTERNATE USES IT CAN BE CLUSTER RESIDENTIAL FOR THIS AREA.

THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE PEOPLE IS THE PLATED LOTS PRESERVED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CALCULATION IS BEING DONE, BUT I'M SEEING A LOT OF CONCRETE.

I'M SEEING A LOT OF HOUSES. TO ME, PERSONALLY, HIGHER DENSITY MEANS A LOT MORE CONCRETE.

I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE NORTH POINT COMING HERE IN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS BECAUSE

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I'VE GOT 100 FOOT DROP FROM THE TOP OF LAND TO THE BOTTOM AND THAT WATER'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

THESE DEVELOPERS DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH AND BUILD WHAT THEY WANT TO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH AND DESTROY PROPERTY.

WE DO NEED A DIVERSITY OF HOUSES AND LARGER LOT SIZE AND NOT SMALLER.

I'M HOPING THAT ON JULY 30 MEETING THIS COUNCIL WILL TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE CITY AND WHERE IT IS GOING. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. SHANNON BENTON.

>> HI, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

HOW ARE YOU? I WROTE EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS A LETTER, AND JUST I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL TAKE THE TIME TO READ THROUGH THAT.

BUT I'M GOING TO JUST POINT OUT JUST A FEW KEY THINGS.

OUR FAMILY OF SIX MOVED HERE FROM MCKINNEY AT THE END OF MAY OF LAST YEAR.

WE HAVE HAD AND MET MANY CHALLENGES ALONG THE WAY.

TO HEAR OF THE RECENT PROPOSAL OF THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT BEING DIRECTLY NEXT TO OUR DRIVEWAY WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST SETBACKS THAT WE HAVE IN COMING HERE.

WE MOVED HERE BASED ON THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THAT THE AREA TO BE AGRICULTURE AND RANCHING LAND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CLUSTER HOMES BEING MADE ONLY IF SPACE IS ALLOWED, AND THE STIPULATION THAT THE LOT SIZES BE A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE LOTS IN THESE AREAS.

THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN AUGUST OF 2022.

ALSO, IT WAS ALSO THE STIPULATION THAT THE OPEN SPACE IS EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF PLOTTED SPACE ACCORDING TO THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IN THE CITY ORDINANCE, IT TALKS ABOUT AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS, AND OUR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE, PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN LARGE TRACTS OF UNDEVELOPED LAND FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.

THIS DISTRICT PROTECTS AGRICULTURAL AREAS FROM ENCROACHMENT OF URBAN AND SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT.

I WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH TE GRIFFIN.

YOU'RE RIGHT, HE'S ONE OF THE NICEST MEN THAT WE HAVE MET. HE IS SO NICE.

AND WE ARE ALL FOR T. WE ARE ALL FOUR OLD PROSPEROUS PARTNERS.

WE THINK THAT HE IS WONDERFUL.

WE JUST WANT TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH HIM TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY, TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS, TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.

WHAT I THINK IS, I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN MADE.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS STEP BACK AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TOGETHER.

I KNOW IT HAS BEEN 18 MONTHS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT, AND WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR THAT.

BUT I THINK STEPPING BACK AND TAKING ANOTHER 18 MONTHS TO REALLY EVALUATE IT AND TO PAINT THIS CANVAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, MORE UNIQUE.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH LAND THAT DOESN'T GET AS STAN CARVER TOLD ME TODAY, YOU CAN'T REMAKE LAND.

ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, IT'S DONE, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

BUT LET'S DO SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.

LET'S SIT BACK AS TOGETHER AND MAKE THIS A COMMUNITY THAT WE COULD BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND REALLY HONESTLY ALLOW US TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT AND THAT IS UNIQUE.

I ALSO WANT TO JUST CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE PUT IN THESE HIGH DENSITY AREAS, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 1-2 CARS THAT DRIVE MAYBE DOWN THAT ROAD.

IT IS PEACEFUL, IT IS BEAUTIFUL, IT IS WONDERFUL.

TO BE ABLE TO PUT 480 HOMES RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRACK OF LAND THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

IT WILL CHANGE US ALL, AND IT WILL CHANGE THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF IT, INCLUDING CRIME.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOJ, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE STATISTICS, THE CRIME IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN THESE HIGH DENSITY AREAS.

PLEASE LET'S COME TOGETHER.

WE'RE WILLING TO TALK. ONE LAST THING THOUGH.

HERE'S A LETTER TO MR. GRIFFIN FROM MY CHILDREN.

IT'S REALLY SWEET AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MATT BENTON.

>> COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME, HARD WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALONG 289 AND 290.

WE LIVE ON 289 AS SHANNON JUST SAID, AND WE'RE ALSO THANKFUL FOR THE COMMENT IN THE LAST MEETING REGARDING THE RIGHTS OF LANDOWNERS AND THE DESIRE TO PROTECT THOSE.

WE ARE HERE TODAY EXERCISING OUR RIGHTS AS NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF LIBERTY HILL.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO SEE A CITY GROW AND ARE THANKFUL FOR THE RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON MUNICIPALITIES BY THE STATE TO HELP THEM STAY IN CHECK AND NOT BECOME TYRANTS.

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I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF CHAPTER 211 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH ADDRESSES MUNICIPAL ZONING AUTHORITY AND STATES THE POWERS GRANTED UNDER THIS SUBCHAPTER FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROMOTING THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS, GENERAL WELFARE, AND PROTECTING AND PRESERVING PLACES AND AREAS OF HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE AND SIGNIFICANCE.

CHAPTER 211 004 STATES ZONING REGULATIONS MUST BE ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCLUDING TO PREVENT OVERCROWDING LAND AND UNDUE CONCENTRATION OF POPULATION.

WE PURCHASED OUR LAND IN 2017 BASED ON THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN PLACE, WHICH HAD IT ZONE AS AGRICULTURAL RANCHING, WHICH HAS A SECONDARY LAND USE OF CLUSTER RESIDENTIAL IF AMOUNTS OF OPEN SPACE EQUAL TO PLATTED LOTS IS PRESERVED.

WELL, THE CITY ORDINANCE STATES, AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT THIS DISTRICT IS TO PROTECT THESE AREAS FROM ENCROACHMENT OF URBAN AND SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT WITH DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS OF ONE ACRE MINIMUM.

A SIMILAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS STILL ON YOUR WEBSITE AS OF LAST WEEK.

I BELIEVE THIS NEWLY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALREADY EXECUTED BY I BELIEVE COUNCIL, THE MAYOR WITH I GUESS OLD PROSTATE PARTNERS, DOES NOT ADHERE TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE P&Z DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY SHOT DOWN.

THEREFORE, WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT.

WE THINK HIGHLY OF TE GRIFFIN AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM STAY, BUT WE NEED THESE PLANS REVISED TO PROTECT THE CULTURE, PROMOTE SAFETY, AND ADD DIVERSITY TO CITY OF ANNA.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF LEGAL, IS ONLY GOING TO CHALK IT FULL OF SPECIAL CAVEATS, SO THEY CAN GO ALONG WITH WHOEVER AND WHATEVER DEVELOPER THEY WANT.

IT SEEMS LIKE BAD STEWARDSHIP OF TAXPAYERS MONEY. WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE PLAN? LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE ANNA BEAUTIFUL AND A GOOD PLACE TO CALL HOME.

LET'S HONOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS OWNED BY THE RESIDENTS OF ANNA AND NOT THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, OR OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. RONNIE HILL.

>> MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MY NAME IS RONNIE HILL.

I LIVE AT 10787 COUNTY ROAD 289 IN ANNA, AND I WANT TO JUST TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT ABOUT THE THE LIBERTY HILL ADDITION.

FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH AT ALL.

I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT HAS TO LOOK OUT EVERY WINDOW IN MY HOUSE AND NOT BE ABLE TO SEE ANOTHER HOUSE. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.

BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOWN 289, YOU'LL SEE THAT EVERYONE HAS SOME PROPERTY, SOME LARGER THAN OTHERS.

EVERYONE HAS FAIRLY LARGE HOUSES, SOME LARGER THAN OTHERS.

BUT WE HAVE A VERY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS, WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO, IS JUST HELP US KEEP IT THAT WAY BY NOT ALLOWING THESE SMALL LOTS AND MAKING THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE LARGE HOMES, LARGE LOTS AT THEIR DOORS.

THEY WILL JUST HELP US OUT THE WAY WHEN WE HAVE A UNIQUE LITTLE PIECE OF ANNA AND WE ALL LOVE IT, AND WE JUST LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY, AND WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO HELP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANKS, SIR. BETTY SHARP.

>> I KNOW SOMETHING YOU WERE GOING TO START TO GRIN BEFORE I EVEN GET UP THERE, SO GO AHEAD.

I'M BETTY SHARP 1022 COUNTY ROAD 289.

THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE A ROAD TO GO DOWN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REVISING INVESTMENT PLAN, THE PEOPLE SPOKE TO, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN WITH TWO OF THE MOST CONSCIENTIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEAK.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO GO ALONG WITH ME.

IN YOUR IMAGINATION, T-SHIRT FOR YOU, ALBERT EINSTEIN.

IMAGINATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWLEDGE.

THAT'S OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD.

HE DIDN'T MEAN THAT KNOWLEDGE WASN'T IMPORTANT.

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WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT IS SOMETHING TO IMAGINE DIFFERENT FOR ANNA.

ALONG 75 SERVICE ROAD, PARTICULARLY THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL HOMES ON 368 AND THE COUNTRY CLUB, A P&Z BOARD MEMBER SAID AT THE LAST MEETING SOMETHING INTERESTING.

HE SAID, IF WE PUT UP MORE BIG BUCK STORES THERE AND MORE APARTMENTS, ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO ANNA IS THE SAME OLD THING JUST ANYWHERE ELSE, ANNA SHOULDN'T BE THE FASTEST GROWING CITY.

IT SHOULD BE THE FASTEST GROWING, CREATIVE CITY.

I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT A PLAN I IMAGINED.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CAME INTO MY HEAD, BUT HERE IT IS.

FIVE VENUES ALONG THE SERVICE ROAD ON 75.

FIRST VENUE, PRETTY CONVENTIONAL.

A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.

WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL BUILDINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.

FOR LAWYERS, HEAVEN KNOWS THEY HAVE ENOUGH WORK UP HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING FOR BUSINESS PEOPLE.

WITH THAT AS AN ANCHOR, COUPLE TOGETHER ALL THESE VENUES WITH GREEN SPACE, NATIVE PLANTS, AND TRAILS.

SECOND VENUE, AN AUDITORIUM, THREE OR FOUR INSIDE SWIMMING POOLS.

PARKS AND SWIMMING POOLS ARE GREAT, GREAT JOB, PEOPLE.

BUT YOU CAN ONLY USE THEM IN THE BEST OF WEATHER.

YOU PUT IN AN AUDITORIUM, AND IT CAN DOUBLE PURPOSE AS A COOLING CENTER AND AN EMERGENCY CENTER, SO CAN THAT OFFICE BUILDING.

A AUDITORIUM WITH AN OLYMPIC-SIZED TRAINING POOL, SCHOOL ON UP THROUGH PROFESSIONAL, A POOL TO LEASE TO PHYSICAL THERAPISTS.

ASK THEM, I'LL BET YOU THEY'LL USE IT.

A POLL TO OPEN FOR FAMILY.

YOU HAVE AN INSIDE VENUE FOR ALL THE FAMILY.

IS THE TIME UP ALREADY? GOODNESS. WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK WITH MY WHAT? A DOG TRAINING CENTER AND THE REST OF THE COMPLEX, I'LL EMAIL YOU.

BUT PLEASE, USE YOUR IMAGINATION, SOMETHING BETTER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THAT WAS THE LAST CARD I HAVE. ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, REPORTS.

RECEIVE REPORTS FROM STAFF OR CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

I HAVE NOTHING FROM STAFF. ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> THAT IS A RESOUNDING NO.

AGENDA ITEM 5, WORK SESSION THEN.

[5. Work Session.]

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. MAYOR COUNSEL.

HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK PRESENTATION REGARDING A DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT'S LOCATED IN NORTH POINT SUBDIVISION.

AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS DURING [NOISE] COMMENTS MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE HOA AND STAFF HAS BEEN REVIEWING THE SITUATION OUT THERE AND WE'RE READY TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU TONIGHT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND DIRECTIONS OF LAW.

[NOISE] THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL ITSELF IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION.

[NOISE] NORTH OF ELAM DRIVE, JUST SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1106.

THIS IMAGE SHOWS PART OF THE FINAL PLATE, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE FILING DOCUMENT OF RECORD THAT ESTABLISHES ALL OF THE PROPERTY LINES AND EASEMENTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HATCHED AREA IS ONE SINGLE LARGE COMMON AREA LOT THAT WAS DEDICATED TO THE HOA.

IT'S A PRIVATE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR NORTH POINT.

IT ALSO IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

THE ENTIRETY OF IT FALLS WITHIN A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS WELL.

THAT WAS APPROVED BY A PRIOR COUNSEL IN LATE 2005 AND THEN FILED OF RECORD IN 2006.

[NOISE] THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CHANNEL IS LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

IN THE PAST, THE HOA DID INSTALL A TEMPORARY IRRIGATION SYSTEM,

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STAFF HAS COMPLETED A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF THE CHANNEL, AND WE DID RECEIVE A PROPOSAL FROM AN ENGINEERING FIRM FOR THE SCOPE OF DESIGN PRIMARILY TO UNDERSTAND THE COSTS INVOLVED WITH A FULL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT JUST TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU ALL AND THEN WE GET WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MIGHT TAKE PLACE.

I WANT TO TAKE YOU ALL THROUGH SOME AERIAL IMAGERY NOW.

STAFF IS UTILIZING GOOGLE EARTH HERE SO WE CAN GO BACK OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS AND SHOW YOU WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS IN JANUARY OF 2005 PRIOR TO THE PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED.

WE CAN SEE A HEAVILY WOODED CREEK CHANNEL THAT RUNS FROM NORTH TO THE SOUTHEAST ON THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THAT'S COUNTY ROAD 1106 ON THE TOP SIDE OF THE SLIDE.

THEN IN 2012, YOU CAN SEE THE ROADS WERE CONSTRUCTED AND THE CHANNEL WAS MODIFIED.

WHAT WE CAN SEE HERE IS THAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER REMOVED ALL OF THE TREES AND ALSO DID SOME GRADING WORK AND WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE A SHIFT IN THE LOCATION OF THAT DRAINAGE CHANNEL TO THE NORTH.

YOU SEE HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER IN 2014, SOME HOUSES HAVE BEEN BUILT, AND WE CAN ALREADY SEE SOME CHANNEL EROSION TAKING PLACE IN THE CHANNEL BEND THERE WHERE THE CHANNEL VEERS AWAY FROM THE STREET, THE NORTH SOUTH STREET.

YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT.

I KNOW SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE HARD TO SEE FOR THE FOLKS HERE, BUT THIS PRESENTATION IS AVAILABLE ONLINE OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE PACKET.

[NOISE] MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THAT PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED.

YOU CAN SEE THE CHANNEL AGAIN, THE CHANNEL IS STARTING TO ERODE AND SHIFT BACK TOWARDS ITS ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.

[NOISE] WE'RE STARTING TO EVEN JUST IN THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE SOME AREAS OF EROSION WHERE THE SOIL HAS BEEN WASHED AWAY AND THERE'S NO VEGETATION.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT IN 2022, THE SOUTHERN PHASES ARE BEGINNING TO BE COMPLETED AND WRAPPED UP IN THE SUBDIVISION.

THERE IS SOME VEGETATION, SMALL GRASS VEGETATION, YOU CAN SEE GROWING IN THE SOUTHEAST SECTION OF THE CHANNEL.

BUT THEN THAT ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE MAIN CHANNEL BEND INTO THE NORTH IS STILL RELATIVELY CLEAR.

THEN THIS IS THE MOST RECENT.

THIS IS FROM JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

WE CAN SEE THERE IS SOME SPARSE VEGETATION THAT IS GROWING IN THE CHANNEL, BUT WE CAN ALSO SEE THE WORSENING OF THE EROSION AND HOW IT'S STARTING TO BE CLOSE TO SOME FENCE LINES ALONG THE CHANNEL.

AGAIN, JUST TO SHOW VERSUS JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WHAT THE ORIGINAL AERIAL IMAGE SHOWED, THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT YOU HAD A NATURAL CHANNEL THAT HAD TREES ALONGSIDE OF IT.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE COUNCIL.

STAFF STRONGLY RECOMMENDS AND WORKS WITH DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE THAT IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES AND KEEP THOSE TREES AND TRY TO MINIMIZE ANY WORK WITHIN A CHANNEL LIKE THIS BECAUSE THE TREES ARE OFTEN THE BINARY EROSION CONTROL DEVICE THAT WE HAVE.

THEIR ROOT SYSTEMS HELP KEEP THE SOIL IN PLACE.

WHEN YOU REMOVE ALL OF THOSE, IT JUST MAKES THE CHANNEL FAR MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE RUSHING WATER FLOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, REMOVING SOIL ON THE BANKS.

STAFF HAVE TO GO OUT ON SITE AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED AREAS OF EROSION.

THESE VARY INSIGNIFICANCE.

SOME OF THEM ARE UNPLEASANT TO LOOK AT, BUT ARE NOT NECESSARILY HAVING A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

OTHERS ARE BEGINNING.

YOU HAVE IMPACTS ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SO IT IS A MIX.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO SEE THESE AREAS WHERE THE EROSION HAS TAKEN PLACE AND WHERE IT'S BEGINNING TO ENCROACH ALONG FENCE LINES.

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YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT EROSION IS ALSO ENCROACHING ON THE PARK PROPERTY AS WELL.

DURING OUR ASSESSMENT, WE DID WALK THE SITE AND TOOK SOME PHOTOS, AND THIS PHOTO HERE ON THE RIGHT IS WHERE THAT THE MAIN CHANNEL BEND IS, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE WATER IS EATING INTO THE BANK AND CONTINUE TO PUSH IT TO THE SOUTH.

YOU CAN SEE THE REMNANTS OF THE PRIOR TEMPORARY IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT WAS INSTALLED.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE OBVIOUSLY THE LACK OF VEGETATION AND THE EROSION, THE RESULTS OF SOME OF THAT EROSION HAS TAKEN PLACE.

STAFF'S FINDINGS ARE THAT THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL DOES CONVEY SIGNIFICANT STORM-WATER RUNOFF FROM NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1106.

JUST BASED ON A ROUGH ESTIMATE, ABOUT 2/3 OF THE STORM-WATER COMES FROM THE VAN ALSTYNE'S ETJ, WHICH IS THE RURAL AREA NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1106.

ABOUT A THIRD OF THE STORM-WATER RUNOFF COMES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF AND ENTERS INTO THE CHANNEL THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

THE CHANNEL IS SHOWING SIGNIFICANT EROSION.

IT IS STARTING TO IMPACT FENCE LINES ON THE BACK SIDE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR, HOWEVER, THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT APPEAR TO BE AFFECTED AT THIS TIME.

SPECIFICALLY THAT IS HOMES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, WE DON'T SEE ANY EROSION HAVING AN IMPACT ON HOMES IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

CERTAINLY, IF THE EROSION DOES CONTINUE, EVENTUALLY, IT WILL CONTINUE TO WORSEN, AND THERE WILL BE INCREASED IMPACTS ON REAR YARDS AND FENCES.

IT IS LIKELY THAT LEFT UNTREATED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ALONG THAT AREA WILL HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR FENCES AND COULD START TO SEE THE EROSION MOVE PAST THEIR FENCE AND INTO THEIR BACK YARD.

WHAT STAFF HAS DEVELOPED ARE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS BASED ON TALKING WITH AN ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SHORTLISTED THROUGH OUR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION PROCESS WHERE WE SELECTED THREE OR MORE QUALIFIED FIRMS IN A WIDE RANGE OF CATEGORIES.

WE WORKED WITH ONE PRE SELECTED FIRM FOR STORM-WATER, AND WE CAME UP WITH A DESIGN COST OF APPROXIMATELY $230,000 WE'RE CALLING A PERMANENT SINGLE PHASE SOLUTION.

THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT AND DOING A FULL LARGE SCALE PROJECT TO COMPLETELY ARMOR THE CHANNEL.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVY EQUIPMENT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOTS OF MATERIALS.

CONCRETE LINING THE CHANNEL WOULD BE AN OPTION.

GABION WALLS, A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

THE COST OF THAT IS ROUGHLY 1.5 MILLION UP JUST DEPENDING ON THE TIMING OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE FINAL DESIGN.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS A MAJOR COST IMPACT.

WHAT STAFF DID IS WE PROCEEDED TO LOOK AT TWO OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL.

ONE OF THOSE BEING IF WE DIVIDED THIS UP OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, OBVIOUSLY, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT 20+ YEAR LIFESPAN ONCE IT'S COMPLETELY DONE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE INSTEAD OF DOING IT ALL ON ONE PHASE AND ONE SHOT, ONE YEAR, IT WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS AND YOU WOULD JUST PIECEMEAL.

THIS WOULD BE A PIECEMEAL APPROACH WHERE WE WOULD DO A PHASE EVERY YEAR.

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THIS IS THAT WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION COST AT $300,000 OR MORE A YEAR, THAT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT COST THAT IS NOT LIKELY ATTAINABLE FOR THE HOA OR THE CITY AT THIS TIME.

BECAUSE OUR STORMWATER UTILITY, WHICH WE USE TO FUND STORMWATER PROJECTS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, GENERATES ONLY ABOUT $350,000 A YEAR.

THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ENTAIL ALMOST ALL OF THE FUNDING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS GOING TO JUST THIS PROJECT.

FINALLY, STAFF DID LOOK AT A THIRD OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO DO WHAT WE'RE CALLING A TEMPORARY SOLUTION IN THE WORST AREAS.

NOW, I WANT TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE MEAN WITH A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.

THIS IS NOT JUST TO PUT SOME CURLEX AND SOME GRASS HEAT OUT THERE.

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THIS WOULD INCLUDE GROUNDED ROCK RIP RAP, POTENTIALLY SOME CONCRETE RETAINING WALL STRUCTURES AND SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.

BUT IT WOULD BE VERY TARGETED.

IT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE WORST LOCATIONS WHERE EITHER ARID IS A DIRECT IMPACT ON A FENCE LINE OR IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT IS COMING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

WITH THIS PROJECT, THIS WOULD BE MORE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF CITY STAFF DOING THE ACTUAL LABOR OR THE MAJORITY OF THE LABOR.

THE MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY WOULD BE SPENT ON THE BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE GIVEN TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF TO ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND PERFORM THIS WORK.

THE DESIGN COST OF $30,000, IT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

WE DO FEEL COULD DO SOME OF THE WORK IN HOUSE, BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED TO HAVE A LAND SURVEYOR GO OUT AND DO A TOPO SURVEY, SO WE HAD GOOD DATA TO DO THE DESIGN OFF OF, AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE MONEY FOR THAT.

THAT TOTALS ABOUT $180,000 AND STAFF FELT THAT MIGHT NEED IN A MORE PALATABLE ZONE AS FAR AS BEING REASONABLE FOR SOME TYPE OF FUNDING.

IF A PARTNERSHIP WERE TO BE MADE.

THE HOA PRESIDENT HAS REQUESTED FOR US TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL FUNDING PARTNERSHIP.

THAT IS THEIR REQUEST.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT THAT WOULD OR COULD LOOK LIKE.

BEFORE WE DO THAT AND START TO EVEN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WE WANTED COUNTY COUNSEL TO BRING THIS TO YOU TO GET SOME INFORMATION.

WE WOULD TAKE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL, SIT DOWN, WORK WITH THE HOA, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AS DIRECTED BY THE COUNCIL.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

STAFF STANDS READY TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING AND WORKING WITH THAT NEIGHBORS? THANK YOU.

>> GREG, JUST REAL QUICK TO COVER SOME OF THE FACTS OF THIS ONE IS IT'S TECHNICALLY AS PRIVATE PROPERTY. THIS WOULD BE A HEAVY LIFT.

IF WE WERE TO TAKE ON EVEN A 50, 50 PARTNERSHIP OR WHATEVER, WOULD THAT NOT OPEN US UP TO WHAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY THAT MAY BE HAVING SIMILAR SITUATIONS? DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE? DO WE KNOW WHAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS MIGHT BE IN FACT?

>> COUNSEL BAKER, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES MIGHT HAVE SIMILAR REQUESTS AT THIS TIME.

CERTAINLY, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK FURTHER INTO.

I WOULD SAY THAT ANY TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD REACH WE WOULD WORK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, OBVIOUSLY, IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL, WE'D ALSO WORK WITH THE HOA, I'M SURE THEY WOULD HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL.

BUT WE'D WANT TO ESTABLISH AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS THAT FORMALLY DEFINED EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY WAS AND WAS NOT GOING TO DO, NOT JUST IN ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES REGARDING DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO IN LONG TERM MAINTENANCE.

WHAT THE HOA'S ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.

WE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR FOR THE BENEFIT OF BOTH PARTIES ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY'S AGREEING TO AND WHAT THE HOA IS AGREEING TO.

I FEEL THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH CLARK MCCOY TO MAKE SURE WE GET DONE.

BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT OTHER SITUATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WE COULD CERTAINLY GET STARTED ON THAT AND PUT TOGETHER A REPORT.

>> MY CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET BETTER AS TIME GOES ON.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I FEEL WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW BIG IS THIS ELEPHANT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO APPROACH HERE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.

>> THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANT TO CLEAR ONE POINT UP.

THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT WAS INSTALLED BY HOA DID NOTHING, CORRECT?

>> WE DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT IT IMPROVED THE SITUATION.

>> I'VE TALKED TO THE PAST HOA, THE NEIGHBORS, AND EVERYTHING, AND THE BLAME GAME IS STRONG IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THE MAIN CAUSE FROM WHAT I SEE AND I'M NO EXPERT, BUT YOU'RE THE EXPERT, THE MAIN CAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED TONIGHT FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS THE CHANNEL WAS REDIRECTED AND THE TREES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED ALREADY WERE TORN OUT.

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>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THAT'S THE MAIN CAUSE OF THIS SITUATION.

I'M GLAD THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE I LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPENED TO THIS, AND WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT, AND NOW WE HAD TO CONTINUE PAYING FOR IT.

WE DO HAVE THE STORMWATER FUND THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR.

THE CITY AS IN ALL ITS NEIGHBORS.

>> CORRECT.

>> PERSONALLY, I FEEL WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PUTS IN MONEY INTO THAT STORMWATER FUND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.

I FEEL SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HELP WITH THE WATER FLOW AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY PROPERTY OF THE HOMEOWNERS, JUST THE CREEK OR CHANNEL, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

PERSONALLY, I FEEL WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE MORE OPPORTUNITIES OF WHAT THAT COULD BE FOR NOW.

SMALL, I LIKE THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN MORE THAN A 20-YEAR PLAN UNTIL WE DO HAVE MORE OF A STORMWATER FUND THAT COULD DO THE 20-YEAR PLAN.

BUT THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ARE WE OKAY WITH CALLING THE HOA BACK UP HERE? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER MY UNDERSTANDING. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, SIR?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> [LAUGHTER] I GOT YOUR BACK AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM.

FORGIVE ME, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THIS CORRECT.

YOU SAID WE DID SOMETHING AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT YOU COULDN'T GET IT PASSED AS AN HOA.

DID I HEAR THAT INCORRECTLY?

>> NO. YOU HEARD IT CORRECTLY.

>> WHAT WAS THE THING THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET PAST AS THE HOA?

>> WE DID SECURE A LOAN TO PAY FOR THIS.

PART OF THE STIPULATION OF THE LOAN WAS WE HAD TO CHARGE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT EVERY HOME IN COMMUNITY, $300 PER YEAR.

OUR BYLAWS REQUIRE THAT ANY SPECIAL ASSESSMENT GO UP.

>> TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I WANT TO WORD THIS.

RIGHT NOW, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD FUND BALANCE IN YOUR HOA? OR IS IT LIKE PENNIES IN A JAR?

>> IT'S IN THE BLACK, NOT MUCH.

>> OKAY.

>> WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

WE TRIED TO GET THE LOAN. WE COULDN'T GET IT.

WE TRIED I TAKE THE RAP ON THE GUY WITH COURTS RIGHT NOW.

>> UNDERSTOOD.

>> I CLOSED OUR POOL FOR THE YEAR AND DEFER THE MONEY THAT WE TYPICALLY USED TO FUND THE POOL TO SAVE BACK PREPARING WHAT WE COULD.

>> THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE HELD BACK, YOU'VE ALREADY TRIED TO PUT IT IN PLAY TO DO THINGS OR YOU'RE HOLDING IT BACK IN PREPARATION?

>> I HAD SOMETHING TAKEN CARE OF EARLIER THIS WEEK TO CLEAR A BIT OF FREEZE OUT OF CONTROL.

BUT MOST OF IT HAS BEEN NOT.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I HAVE ONE THING FOR HIM. ONE QUICK THING.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING UP HERE AND FIGHTING AND STANDING UP FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT SHOWS THAT YOU CARE A LOT, AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE BEHIND YOU TO SAY MAYBE ONE SHE SPOKE.

IT JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU CARE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND I APPRECIATE THAT A LOT.

THEY SHOULD REALLY THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ALL THE WORK YOU'RE PUTTING IN FREE. VOLUNTEER.

>>APPRECIATE.

>> SAME HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO COME UP AND TALK TO US.

>> YES, AND ROBBIE, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING UP HERE.

I THINK YOU PROBABLY SPOKE TO EVERY MEMBER ON THIS COUNCIL AND ALMOST EVERY MEMBER.

WE'RE NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS, ALL OF US, AND YOU NEVER HAVE TO BEG.

BUT IT SHOWS YOUR HEART.

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GOOD NEWS IS, YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS UP HERE WHO HAS EQUALLY FELT THE PAIN OF ALL THIS, AND SO THAT'S GOOD.

SHE'S NOT ABUSED HER POSITION.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY UP HERE.

WE SPENT A GOOD 45 MINUTES IN CLOSED SESSION, PRIMARILY DISCUSSING THIS ITEM AS A WORKSHOP ITEM OR OPTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN ARE THE BEST OPTIONS, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY VETTING THIS.

HANG IN THERE AS WE PULL ON THIS ROPE TOGETHER UNTIL WE FIGURED IT OUT.

I DID RUN SOME MATH ON THIS.

I KNOW WHENEVER YOU DID THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, THE FORMER PRESIDENT TOLD ME THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE A THREE OR $400 INCREASE PER YEAR FOR 30 YEARS, 10 YEARS.

>> IT WAS A $ 300-A-YEAR ASSESSMENT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BREAK INTO BY ANNUAL PAYMENT [INAUDIBLE] BY ANNUAL PAYMENT TWICE.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN $150, ONE DUE IN MARCH.

>> SURE,15 YEARS.

>> THE OPTION TO IF YOU WANTED TO PAY IT OUT, STRAIGHT UP YOU'RE GOOD AND NOT PAY.

IF YOU SOLD YOUR HOME, IT WOULD COME FROM THE INCOMING PERMIT.

>> IT'S PAINFUL.

I WAS RUNNING GREG'S OPTION THREE NUMBERS AND STAFF'S OPTION THREE NUMBERS.

JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.

IF WE PROVIDED THE DESIGN COST, THE CITY, AND YOU DIVIDED THE 150,000 AMONGST ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS FOR FIVE YEARS, THAT COMES TO $41 A YEAR.

IT'S A LOT MORE PALATABLE THAN THE OTHER ASSESSMENT, AND CERTAINLY A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DOABLE, AND MAYBE WE COULD WORK TOGETHER ON THAT, MAYBE SPLIT THE COST.

THE REAL CHALLENGE ON THIS IS AND WE'RE WORKING OUR ATTORNEY OVER TIME, IS HOW DOES THE CITY GO ON TO PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PROVIDE HELP?

>> DEFINITELY.

>> I'LL MAKE THE PITCH TO YOU NOW.

I HAVE REVIEWED OUR BYLAWS.

I HAVE REVIEWED OUR DECLARATION.

I HAVE HAD THE ASSOCIATION'S ATTORNEY REVIEW THE BYLAWS AND DECLARATION.

THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR BYLAWS REGARDING LAND ACQUISITION OR SALE, AS FAR AS IT NEEDING TO GO TO A COMMUNITY VOTE IN ORDER TO DO IT.

IF THIS IS PRIVATE LAND, I'LL GET I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH ME SO I CAN HAVE A WALKING FORUM.

I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD.

IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT AND WE HAD TO SELL IT, WE WILL SELL IT.

>> SURE.

>> IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A BROKEN PIECE OF LAND.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A BUCK OFF OF IT.

WE JUST NEED SPACE.

>> WITH THAT IN MIND. THE NORMAL WAY A CITY RECEIVES PROPERTY OR ASSESSES THE DESIRE TO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, OR IN THIS CASE, SOMEONE IS WANTING TO SELL A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WE LOOK AT IT. WHAT CAN THIS BE DONE FOR THE CITY? ONE IDEA IS A TRIAL SYSTEM, AND WE WOULD PRESENT IT TO OUR PARKS BOARD AND LET THE PARKS BOARD VET IT, GIVE THEIR OPTIONS TO THE COUNCIL.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER, AND I FEEL YOUR PAIN.

IF THIS WAS A SOLUTION, GREAT.

ON THE ELM, BY SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, THOSE HOMES, ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OCCUPYING IT DO THEY OWN THOSE HOMES OR ARE THEY RENTERS OF THOSE HOMES?

>> I DON'T SPECIFICALLY KNOW BUT I WILL FIND OUT.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> I'M ASKING BECAUSE IF A HOMEOWNER FEELS THE PAIN, RENTER IS ALWAYS ABLE TO LEAVE.

>> YES. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG THE RAVINE.

THERE ARE 20 OR 21, I BELIEVE.

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I CAN'T STAND UP HERE BUT I CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

>> ROBBIE, I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BUT THEY MAY WANT TO CALL YOU BACK UP HERE, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THE OPTIONS.

IT'S NOT LP SERVICE, AND YOU HAVE COLLECTIVELY AGREED THAT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING NOW THAT WILL BE HELPFUL, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND HOW QUICKLY CAN WE START AND IT MAY WAIT TILL THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, BUT THANKFULLY, THERE'S NO HOUSES THAT ARE IN CONCERN AT THE MOMENT.

RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST FENCES.

>> AS GREG TO DO, THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE GETTING CLOSE.

>> GETTING CLOSE. GOT YOU.

GREG, YOU MIND COME TO MIC.

THANK YOU, ROBBIE. TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROPERTY, GREG, IS THERE A CREEK OR A WATER SOURCE THAT FEEDS THIS OR IS IT JUST RUN OFF THIS RAVINE?

>> SURE. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE AERIAL.

I DON'T THINK IT'S NOT A GREAT PICTURE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO SPEAK ON.

IF YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO HERE, IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE CHANNEL, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COUNTER ROAD 116.

YOU SEE THAT IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A SQUARE, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE A SQUARE IT'S IN A PARALLELOGRAM SHAPE.

TRAPEZOID, MAYBE. THAT IS A GIANT DROP STRUCTURE.

THAT IS A CONCRETE HOLE.

THAT A LOT OF DRAINAGE FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF 1106, IT RUNS ALONG THE BAR DITCH FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS, DROPS INTO THAT STRUCTURE AND THEN GOES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD AND COMES OUT INTO THIS DRAINAGE CHANNEL.

THAT'S WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT COMES FROM THAT WHOLE NORTH AREA, BUILDS GOES INTO THAT DROP STRUCTURE AND IT COMES OUT.

>> UNDERSTOOD. THERE'S NO NATURALLY OCCURRING CREEK, RIVER BED, UNDERWATER, SPRING, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE THAT'S FEEDING THIS? IT'S MANMADE STRUCTURES THAT ARE FEEDING THIS?

>> CORRECT. IT'S MANMADE STRUCTURES THAT ARE COLLECTING THE RAINFALL, AND THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND SIDE DOWNSTREAM.

>> GOT YOU. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS, WHERE DOES THIS RAVINE FEED? DOES IT GO INTO STORMWATER CREEK OR DOES IT GO INTO A CULVERT? WHERE DOES IT EXIT?

>> SURE. AFTER IT CROSSES UNDERNEATH THE ROADWAY, THERE ACTUALLY IS A SPLIT THERE.

THERE'S A PORTION OF RUNOFF AND AT TIMES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE STORM EVENT AND THE FLOW, CAN GO INTO THE DETENTION POND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE.

BUT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE RUNOFF CONTINUES ON IN A NATURAL CREEK THAT CONTINUES TO THE SOUTHEAST.

>> HAVE WE DONE ANY CORE SAMPLES? YOU'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME ENGINEERING PLANS.

HAVE YOU FOUND OUT HOW DEEP THE HARD PAN IS?

>> NO, SIR. AT THIS TIME, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO ANY LAND SURVEYING OR GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT.

>> I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER.

WE'RE TRYING TO HELP, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO BURDEN ALL OF THE TAXPAYERS WITH A PATCH THAT WOULD END UP NOT BEING A SUFFICIENT PATCH.

I'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO DO WHAT Y'ALL DO BEST.

IF WE WERE RECEIVING THIS PROPERTY AS THIS WAS OUR PROPERTY, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE DO IS A MUCH MORE OF A SOLUTION, NOT $1.5 MILLION A SOLUTION, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH IT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T TOUCH IT AND WE CREATE OR INHERIT MORE PROBLEMS.

>> WE HAVE A STORMWATER UTILITY FUND.

THIS WOULD DEPLETE IT COMPLETELY AND STILL WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TO DO MUCH.

I CERTAINLY WANT YOU TO BE VERY HYPER-CAUTIOUS ABOUT STEPPING INTO THIS AND PROVIDE SOLUTIONS TO US. THANK YOU.

>> I JUST HAD A QUICK QUINT, GREG.

WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT IF THIS DEVELOPMENT CAME TO US

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>> YES. COUNCILMAN MILLER, THAT'S CORRECT.

TYPICALLY, WITH OUR TREE PRESERVATION POLICIES IN COMBINATION WITH OUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY WHAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO DO WOULD BE TO KEEP THAT AS A NATURAL AREA TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE AND REALLY MINIMIZE ANY TREE REMOVAL ALONG THE CREEK AND ALSO MINIMIZE ANY EFFORTS TO GET IN THERE AND RELOCATE THE CREEK.

THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY SPECIFIC JUSTIFICATION FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND ALLOWING A DEVELOPER TO REMOVE ALL OF THOSE TREES AND REALIGN THAT CREEK CHANNEL.

TYPICALLY, YOU ONLY SEE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

IF YOU'RE HAVING TO BUILD A BRIDGE, IF IT'S A LARGE ENOUGH CREEK THAT YOU'RE BUILDING A BRIDGE, SOMETIMES WITH A BRIDGE STRUCTURE, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, YOU HAVE TO CLEAR OUT A SEGMENT.

BUT WE WOULD BE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT LEAVING THAT IN PLACE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE IS A MUCH BETTER LONG-TERM SOLUTION.

AS SOON AS YOU TAKE OUT ALL OF THOSE TREES, YOU JUST LOSE ALL OF THAT BUILT-IN NATURAL EROSION PROTECTION.

>> THANKS. I DON'T WANT TO SECOND GUESS THE CITY FROM 2004, THERE PROBABLY WAS ONE PART-TIME PLANNING GUY AT THAT POINT, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S 2,500 PEOPLE, BUT ULTIMATELY, I WOULD HAVE TO SELL THIS TO WILLOW CREEK.

HOW COME WE'RE TAKING SOME OF THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE PAYING INTO IT? I'M JUST TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT FROM THAT ANGLE. THANKS.

>> SURE. YES, SIR.

>> IF THIS CONTRACT GETS APPROVED AND YOU GUYS SIGN WITH THE HOA, WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME?

>> IT WOULD BE DEPENDENT UPON THE TERMS OBVIOUSLY OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND BE ABLE TO REACH SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE INCLUDED IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO SOME EXTENT.

BUT IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT THE FINAL TERMS ARE AND WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO, WHAT THE CITY DECIDES TO DO, WHAT THE HOA DECIDES TO DO, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE'LL STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND, WHERE'S THE FUNDING SOURCE AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY BE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR WHICH STARTS ON OCTOBER 1ST.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE GAVE US THREE OPTIONS HERE, BUT MAYBE AN OPTION 2.5 OR THREE OR SOMETHING, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK TO GO FORWARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS.

>> YES, SIR. STAFF COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD DO THAT.

WE COULD LOOK AT VARYING PRICE POINTS, WHAT WE COULD DO, OR WE COULD SAY FOR A SPECIFIC PRICE POINT, THIS WOULD BE THE BEST USE OF THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

WE CAN APPROACH IT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT ARE REALLY JUST TO SET THREE BENCHMARKS TO WORK OFF OF.

BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT SET IN STONE AND WE COULD MODIFY ANY DIRECTION FROM THERE.

>> BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SOUND TO ME LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE HOA IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, I WOULD THINK.

WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN HANDLE ON THEIR LEVEL AND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL, 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

THEN THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE DO SOMETHING FOR NORTH POINT CROSS AND HOW MANY OTHER PLACES IN ANNA THAT ARE ALREADY AN ISSUE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

I JUST NEED TO SEE THAT PICTURE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISION.

>> YES SIR.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> HEY, GREG, CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE IT SHOWED THE CULVERT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE WATER IS FLOWING THROUGH THERE AND REALLY THEY'RE TAKING THE BRUNT OF ALL THAT? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS OVER A FUTURE TYPE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO HELP THEM.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS COUNTY ROAD 1106 WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR HIGHWAY, EVENTUALLY, THAT'S GOING TO RUN OUT TO 75 BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY SHORT DISTANCE UP TO 75.

WHEN THAT TURNS INTO, LET'S SAY,

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I KNOW WE'RE TALKING MAYBE 10 OR 15 YEARS BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LET ALL THE WATER FROM THAT ROAD FLOW THROUGH AND IT'S GOING TO FLOW RIGHT THROUGH THAT CULVERT, AND IT'S GOING TO COME RIGHT UNDERNEATH THERE.

JUST HEAR ME OUT.

WHAT IF WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF YEAR 10, STILL TRYING TO HELP THE HOA BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COME UP WITH THE MONEY AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO LIMP THIS THING ALONG? THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THOUSANDS OF MORE GALLONS COME AT A FASTER RATE BECAUSE OF A ROAD.

OBVIOUSLY, THE RUNOFF IS WAY QUICKER THAN THOSE PEOPLE'S YARDS.

THEN WE COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO PUT A PATCH ON THIS THING AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS GOT REALLY WORSE OVER A YEARS PERIOD.

THAT'S JUST CONCERNING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I DON'T THINK I'LL BE ON THE COUNCIL THEN, AND YOU MAY BE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR SOMETHING SOMEWHERE.

THERE'S NO TELLING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, AND I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE WATER IS COMING FROM RIGHT THERE.

GOD THAT'LL BE A LOT OF MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER FLOWING THROUGH THERE.

>> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THAT IS WHAT WE CALL MUTUAL BOUNDARY ROAD, 1106 IS.

THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK, SO WE BUILT THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THAT ROAD.

THE NORTHERN HALF OF THAT ROAD IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF VAN ALSTYNE.

BUT THAT IS ALL VAN ALSTYNE ETJ.

THAT'S OUR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM VAN ALSTYNE IS THAT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THOSE HOMES ARE ALL ALREADY BUILT ALONG THAT ROAD, THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN BUILDING THEIR HALF OF THE ROAD ANY TIME SOON.

THE ONE BENEFIT I THINK WE DO HAVE IS I DO THINK THAT THE REALITY IS IS WE PROBABLY CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY REGARDING THE TIMING.

THAT ROAD BEING BUILT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TEXTILE ROAD.

I DON'T SEE COLLIN COUNTY WIDENING THAT ROAD AT THIS TIME.

BUT WHAT WE AS STAFF WOULD DO IS IF WE WERE TO HEAR THAT VAN ALSTYNE WAS GOING TO START WORKING ON DESIGN OF THAT OR THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO STEP IN WE WOULD LET THEM KNOW RIGHT AWAY THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DOWNSTREAM ISSUE, AND WE WOULD GIVE THEM ALL OF OUR PLANS, ALL OF OUR INFORMATION.

THE PLAN WOULD BE HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT YOU CANNOT INCREASE FLOW INTO THIS? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DESIGN THIS PROJECT IN SUCH A WAY.

THAT COULD INCLUDE GETTING AN OFFSITE EASEMENT FURTHER TO THE EAST OR TO THE WEST.

TO BRING DRAINAGE INTO THE SYSTEM THROUGH ANOTHER PATH.

IT COULD BE IF THERE IS ANY EMPTY LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE IN A SUITABLE LOCATION.

IT COULD BE WHOEVER'S BUILDING THE ROAD, BUYING SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR DETENTION.

WHILE YOU DO STORMWATER DETENTION, YOU'LL SEE TEXTILE WILL DO THAT.

SOMETIMES THERE'S THOSE ODD LOW HOLES, GROUND THAT TEXTILE HAS.

THEY'RE ONLY DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO DETAIN AND HOLD THAT STORMWATER TO THE DOWNSTREAM SYSTEM COULDN'T HANDLE IT.

THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WOULD GO, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU'RE RIGHT, IF THE CITY WAS NOT DILIGENT WITH THAT, IT COULD MAKE MATTERS WORSE.

>> I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER.

REMEMBER THE NIGHT OF THE TORNADO AND HIT SALINA? AFTER I CHECKED ON MY NEIGHBORS, I DROVE TO CHECK ON MY CHURCH, AND I WAS DRIVING.

THE WATER WAS OVER THE CURVES THAT NIGHT AND THAT WAS ONLY RAIN FOR 10 MINUTES.

IT WAS BAD. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT FLOOD LIKE THAT BUT YEAH, IT GETS BAD.

>> ALL THAT RUNOFF GOES RIGHT DOWN THAT RAVINE.

>> HEY, SIR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK UP HERE.

I JUST WANT TO IMPART ON YOU.

WE WANT TO TRY TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THIS IS A TALL TASK THAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST.

I WANT YOUR FELLOW NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA TO ALSO FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO HELP LIKE YOU WANT TO HELP. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE HAD A VOTE AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT, AND NOW YOU'RE COMING IN FRONT OF US AND WE HAVE TO PULL MONEY FROM EVERYBODY TO FIX THIS, AND THE PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SHOOTING IT DOWN.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP HERE.

I KNOW HOW STRESSFUL THIS IS FOR YOU.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM WHERE I'M COMING FROM SOMETHING'S GOT TO GET DONE.

WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DOING THIS.

YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP LETTING THAT WATER FLOW AND THEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE 20 HOUSES OVER AND THEY'RE RIGHT.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE MY STUFF. YOU KNOW WHAT MEAN? THAT'S A VERY TALL ORDER BECAUSE IT'S TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THAT TO TRY TO FIX THAT.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO BEAT YOURSELF TO DEATH, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO HAVE BUY-IN ON THIS,

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BUT THAT'S A HARD HELP WHEN OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THERE WON'T ALSO TRY TO HELP.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I HOPE YOU'RE JUST HEARING MY HEART ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE UP AGAINST IT. I'LL SHUT UP AND LEAVE YOU ALONE.

>> ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL? THANK YOU, MR. PETERS.

WE ARE AT SESSION ITEM B, RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE ANNA COMMUNITY LIBRARY PROJECT, AND REVIEW PRELIMINARY PLANS FOR STAFFING AND OPERATING THE FACILITY.

DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, MARK MARSHAN.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REALLY EXCITING PHASE OF THE LIBRARY PROJECT, AND AS I WAS TALKING TO SOME OF MY TEAMMATES EARLIER, I'VE GIVEN LOTS OF PRESENTATIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT I'VE NEVER GOTTEN TO DO ONE WHERE I CAN SAY, LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER AND SEE THE PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

I ALMOST DIDN'T HAVE A POWERPOINT WHATSOEVER BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH BETTER VISION.

THIS EVENING, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING REALLY WELL, WE ARE SHIFTING OUR FOCUS TO OPERATIONS AND WHAT WILL BE COMING OUT OF YOUR LIBRARY.

WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING THIS EVENING IS THE PROPOSED PLAN.

WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DIGEST IT.

THINK ABOUT IT, GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK, QUESTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WE GO ALONG.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE REALLY HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE MODELED.

THESE ARE THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON THIS EVENING.

THERE WAS A MISSION PROCESS THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS PART OF THIS.

WE'LL ROLL THAT OUT TO BRANDING THAT'S GOING ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ELEMENTS OF SERVICE THAT YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE OUT OF YOUR LIBRARY.

HOURS OF OPERATION.

WE'VE GOT SOME INNOVATIVE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THAT.

IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, YOU ALL ESTABLISHED A LIBRARY TASK FORCE.

THAT TASK FORCE WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST GROUPS I'VE EVER WORKED WITH.

HIGHLY ENGAGED, A LOT OF FUN, GREAT IDEAS, GREAT FEEDBACK, AND BY.

PART OF THEIR CHARGE WAS DEVELOP A PROJECT CHARTER.

THAT PROJECT CHARTER IS WHAT GOVERNED THE RULES OF THE ROAD FOR THE REST OF THE LIBRARY UP INTO INCLUDING OPERATIONS.

A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN HERE COME FROM THAT PROJECT CHARTER, SAME WORDS, DESIRES FROM THAT CHARTER, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STAFFING, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THE BUDGET, I'M GOING TO TALK ON A LITTLE BIT BRIEFLY BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, HOW THIS MAY LOOK BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE IN YOUR BUDGET PROPOSAL AND SO YOU'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE DOWN THE ROAD.

THE POLICIES WE WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT TYPES OF POLICIES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIBRARY.

ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN DRAFTED.

WE'LL BE REVIEWING THOSE IN-HOUSE.

THEN THE REALLY EXCITING PART IS OPENING AND OPERATIONS TIMELINE, WHEN ARE OUR NEIGHBORS GOING TO GET TO COME INTO THE LIBRARY, AND WHAT MIGHT THAT LOOK LIKE? THIS STARTS WITH THE PROMISE OF THE ANNA COMMUNITY LIBRARY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE TASK FORCE WAS VERY WELCOMING.

THEY WANTED TO BE VERY EXPERIENTIAL, VERY HANDS-ON TYPE LIBRARY.

THIS ISN'T EXACTLY A QUIET PLACE.

YOU HEARD ME SAY, LIBRARIES ARE NO LONGER JUST PLACES YOU GO TO GET INFORMATION.

THERE ARE PLACES WHERE YOU GO TO CREATE IT.

THE LIBRARY WAS DESIGNED FROM THE INSIDE OUT WITH THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE GOT BACK AS PRIORITIES FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

THEN BASICALLY THE BUILDING JUST APPEARED FROM THERE.

THE PILLARS OF THAT PROMISE, LIFELONG LEARNING, OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, WHETHER YOU'RE STARTING A SMALL BUSINESS OR YOU HAVE A BUSINESS AND YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT BETTER DRAFT A BUSINESS PLAN.

YOU WANT TO START A NONPROFIT, YOU WANT TO GO FIND FUNDING, WRITING GRANTS, SEEKING THEM, BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH FOUNDATIONS.

ANY NUMBER OF THINGS WHEN PEOPLE ARE REINVENTING THEMSELVES, THAT'S WHERE THE LIBRARY IS A CENTRAL HUB TO GO AND GET THOSE RESOURCES.

I'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE ABOUT A PUBLIC LIBRARY IS THAT YOU HAVE TRAINED PROFESSIONAL STAFFS WITH ADVANCED DEGREES, THAT ARE PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, AND THAT'S ALL THEY DO IS HELP NAVIGATE THROUGH AN INFORMATION-BASED SOCIETY AND HELP YOU DISCERN BETTER INFORMATION.

COMMUNITY, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

A COUPLE OF THINGS CAME FROM THIS.

ONE IS, AS WE ALL KNOW FOR SO LONG, I'VE BEEN HERE FOUR YEARS, AND DAY 1, THE CONVERSATION WAS, WHERE DO WE GET TOGETHER? WHAT FACILITIES DO YOU HAVE WHERE A COMMUNITY CAN GATHER AND WE CAN HAVE WHETHER IT'S A CLASS OR AN AFTER-HOURS EVENT FOR A BUSINESS OR JUST EDUCATIONAL LECTURES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS? WHERE CAN WE DO THAT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY.

MY FAVORITE PART OF THIS THAT CAME OUT FROM THE TEAM WAS THE LIBRARY IS A NO SHUSH ZONE.

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I CAN DO IT WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE IF I'M DIRECTED TO SHUSH PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH THAT THE LIBRARY WAS DESIGNED WHERE THERE ARE QUIET PLACES IN IT.

WE HAVE STUDY ROOMS DOWNSTAIRS, ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR THE YOUTH SERVICES.

THERE ARE MORE STUDY ROOMS UPSTAIRS, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHERE MORE OF THE ADULT SERVICES ARE, AND THERE'S A QUIET READING ROOM UPSTAIRS SO WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE TIMES WHERE YOU NEED TO BE QUIET AND FOCUS AND THINGS.

BUT OVERALL, IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PUSH A LITTLE BIT OF THE OLD NOTIONS OF LIBRARIES.

THIS IS NOT EXACTLY THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY THAT MANY OF US GREW UP IN.

THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING AND FUN.

TO REFLECT THAT, THIS IS THE BRANDING, AS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN, FOR THE LIBRARY WITH THE COLORS AND THE SHAPES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS CERTAINLY HAVE MEANING BEHIND THEM AND A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND VERY TALENTED ARTISTIC FOLKS ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

WHAT TREE WOULD YOU BE IN? WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE COOKIE? ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY THE QUESTIONS WERE BEING ASKED AND YET THEY TURNED THOSE ANSWERS INTO SOMETHING INCREDIBLE.

WE WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE LOGO AND THE COLORS. WE THINK THEY'RE FUN.

THEY'RE IN BETWEEN BEING A LITTLE SILLY AND PROFESSIONAL.

THEY'RE NOT STUFFY, SO WE THINK IT MATCHES PRETTY WELL.

THIS IS SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE LIBRARY BRANDING, SHOWING THE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN DO, WHETHER IT'S T SHIRTS, LIBRARY CARDS, BOOKMARKS, YOU NAME IT, IT'LL HAVE A PLACE FOR IT.

THIS IS THE EXCITING PART. SERVICE ELEMENTS, DRIVEN BY ALL OF THOSE WORDS ON THAT LEFT COLUMN ABOUT EXPERIENTIAL, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, PROGRAM EMPHASIS, FLEXIBILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, ALL OF THAT CAME FROM THE NEIGHBOR INPUT.

THEY'RE ALL PART OF WHEN WE WERE SURVEYING, DOING THE FOCUS GROUPS, THE TASK FORCE REVIEWING THOSE THINGS, MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL ADOPTING THE PLAN.

THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM.

SELF SERVICE WAS REALLY EMPHASIZED, EXTENDED HOURS WAS EMPHASIZED, AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK AND HOW CAN WE ACCOMPLISH THAT MISSION IN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY AS WE GROW OVER TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OVERHEAD COSTS AS REASONABLE AS WE CAN FOR OUR NEIGHBORS SO THEY GET THE BEST ROI.

BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT THAT IS NOT JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS AWAY.

THEY'VE INVESTED IN A LARGE FACILITY, THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE EXCELLENT SERVICE.

HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

RFID IS RADIOFREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION.

THESE ARE TAGS THAT A LOT OF US HAVE SEEN.

THEY GO IN ITEMS AND THEY BASICALLY ARE CHARGED WHEN THEY GO INTO AN RFID READER, THE READER GETS A NUMBER OFF OF IT, THAT NUMBER GOES FROM THE DATABASE AND TELLS YOU IF IT'S AN ITEM, WHAT THE ITEM IS, THE STATUS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

USE THE SAME THING FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

THE SELF CHECK STATIONS, I LOVE THAT, GROCERY STORES WAY BACK WHEN WE WERE STARTING TO EXPERIMENT WITH RFID IN PUBLIC LIBRARIES, THEY REALLY LOWERED THE BAR BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THOSE SYSTEMS DIDN'T WORK GREAT.

THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING. THESE ACTUALLY WORK.

WELL, NOW, EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN A WHOLE LOT BETTER.

EXPONENTIALLY, THE LIBRARY SYSTEMS FOR THIS HAVE GOTTEN BETTER AS WELL.

THE CLOUD LIBRARY VIRTUAL BRANCH.

WHAT I AM HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE NEIGHBORS A VIRTUAL DIGITAL LIBRARY EITHER BY THE END OF DECEMBER, 1ST OF JANUARY, ABOUT THAT TIME FRAME.

JUST LAST WEEK ON MONDAY, THE CITY OF ANNA WAS VOTED INTO THE CLOUD LINK DIGITAL LIBRARY CONSORTIUM SO WE'RE ONE OF ABOUT 75 LIBRARIES THAT HAVE JOINED TOGETHER.

WHAT THAT DOES IS, IT MAKES OUR BUY IN TO A DIGITAL LIBRARY COLLECTION MUCH LOWER.

BUT ON DAY 1, WE HAVE ACCESS TO EFFECTIVELY EVERYONE'S ITEMS. WHAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD IS GIVING ANNA'S NEIGHBORS MORE PRIORITY.

YOU'RE BORROWING BOOKS FROM OTHER LIBRARIES AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD DEAL.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THAT.

THE LAPTOP CHECKOUT KIOSK.

MANY OF US WHO'VE GONE INTO THE LIBRARY, KNOW THEY'RE JUST TYPICALLY COMPUTER BANKS, YOU CAN BORROW ONE, SIT DOWN ON IT, DO WORK, PRINT ON IT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AND THAT'S FINE.

BUT WE WANT FLEXIBILITY.

MANY PEOPLE HAVE DEVICES, OUR STUDENTS, IN ASD DEVICES.

WE KNOW THAT BROADBAND ACCESS IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE FOR A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS AT HOME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN USE THOSE DEVICES EFFECTIVELY, BUT WE WANT FLEXIBILITY.

THE JOKE WAS DURING THIS DESIGN PROCESS IS THAT THE LIBRARY OF THE FUTURE IS FOUR GLASS WALLS IN A SUSPENDED FLOOR.

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BUT THIS BASICALLY, WHEN YOU GO INTO THE LIBRARY, YOU NEED TO BORROW A LAPTOP, TAKE YOUR LIBRARY CARD, YOU GO OVER TO A VENDING MACHINE, YOU SCAN IT AND IT POPS OUT A LAPTOP FOR YOU AND YOU SIT ANYWHERE YOU WANT.

IN THAT VENDING MACHINE, YOU CAN ALSO BORROW POWER BANKS SO THAT IF YOU'RE NOT SITTING WHERE THERE HAPPENS TO BE AN OUTLET, SIT WHEREVER YOU WANT? PLUG YOUR LAPTOP IN AND YOU CAN USE IT THERE, YOU PLUG YOUR CELL PHONES INTO IT IF YOU WANT TO.

GIVES FLEXIBILITY. THE OPEN PLUS EXTENDED HOURS.

NOW, THIS HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, AND LIKE A LOT OF THINGS, IT WAS STARTED IN EUROPE WITH SOME EXPERIMENTATION.

IT'S CONTINUED TO GROW.

I TALKED TO A LIBRARY DIRECTOR UP IN MINNESOTA.

THEY HAVE NOW IMPLEMENTED A PARTICULAR PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THIS IN ALL SIX OF THEIR LIBRARY LOCATIONS.

HERE'S BASICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS.

YOU HAVE A LIBRARY CARD JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE AT A 24 HOUR TYPE FITNESS FACILITY.

YOUR LIBRARY CARD, ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING A LITTLE ORIENTATION ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHATNOT, WHEN THE LIBRARY IS NOT STAFFED, YOU CAN SCAN YOUR CARD IN AND YOU CAN GO AND USE THE LIBRARY.

THE LIBRARY IS SET UP IN A WAY, SO IT'S SO AUTOMATED THAT OBVIOUSLY, IF STAFF IS THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE USING THE THINGS, THAT'S FINE.

BUT YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO GO AND USE THE LIBRARY.

REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF TRUST IN OUR NEIGHBORS TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU COME INTO THE LIBRARY, EXTENDED HOURS BUT WE WANT YOU TO BEHAVE YOURSELVES.

THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE DO THAT WELL, TALK TO [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, TALK TO THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION GROUP GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND THINGS.

BUT HERE WE ARE ON MORE OF THE CUTTING EDGE, WE'RE NOT BLEEDING EDGE, SO WE'RE STILL AN EARLIER ADOPTER OF THIS MODEL.

BUT A LOT OF LIBRARIES HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY AND LEARNED A LOT, SO WE'RE BENEFITING FROM THEIR [INAUDIBLE].

OPTIMIZE SECURITY.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT GOES ON INTO THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF CAMERA SYSTEM TYPE THINGS IN THERE FOR AFTER HOURS USE AND WHATNOT.

WE DON'T SIT THERE AND WATCH PEOPLE AND MAKE IT CREEPY.

BUT IT IS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE AND TAKEN CARE OF AND THAT FEED CAN BE GIVEN TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANYONE WHO NEEDS ACCESS TO IT IN AN AUTHORIZED CAPACITY.

THE DIGITAL RESERVATION SYSTEM, SCHEDULE USE OF A STUDY ROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU CAN DO THAT YOURSELF.

THERE IS A PROGRAM ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WHERE FOLKS WHO HAVE, I'M USING AN EXAMPLE, A SOCIAL ANXIETY ISSUE, AND YOU WANT TO GO AND YOU WANT TO RESERVE A ROOM IN A LIBRARY, STUDY ROOM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'LL TELL YOU HOW BUSY THE LIBRARY IS.

IF IT'S REALLY BUSY OR IF IT'S NOT VERY BUSY, SO YOU CAN PICK TIMES TO GO TO THE LIBRARY WHEN IT'S MOST COMFORTABLE AND CONVENIENT FOR YOU.

THE ANNA ART ASSOCIATION, OUR STUDENT VOLUNTEERS, COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS.

THIS LIBRARY WILL NOT FUNCTION WITHOUT COMMUNITY INPUT, COMMUNITY HOURS AND VOLUNTEERS.

WE'RE REALLY BLESSED BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SO MANY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE ENTHUSIASTIC AND PASSIONATE ABOUT BEING A PART OF THIS.

THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF IT LONG BEFORE I CAME ON BOARD TO HELP GET THE VISION TO WHERE THEY WANTED IT TO GO, OR YOU WANTED IT TO GO, AND THEY HAVE NOT LOST ENERGY WHATSOEVER, SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME OF OUR FRIENDS HERE WHO ARE GOING TO BE HELPING US WITH ALL OF THAT.

IN THE LIBRARY, WE HAVE A ARTS A CLASSROOM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MAKER SPACE AND WHATNOT.

CLASSES WILL BE TAUGHT OF IT AND LIKE THE PAINTING WITH A TWIST TYPE THINGS, YOU CAN HAVE A DATE NIGHT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WE CAN DO THAT IN OUR LIBRARY.

WE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP US ACCOMPLISH THAT SO THAT'LL BE GREAT.

WE ARE TALKING TO A COMPANY ABOUT EXPERIMENTING WITH AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE KIOSK.

NOW, THIS IS FUN TO PLAY WITH.

IT CERTAINLY HAS A LOT OF SCARY FEATURES WITH IT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE EXPERIENCE.

IN THE LIBRARY WORLD, BECAUSE OUR PATRON RECORDS AND OUR PRIVACY OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND THOSE OF THINGS ARE SO CRITICAL, THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS LIBRARIES HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT AI TECHNOLOGY IS, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE ALL OF THAT IS SECURED? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS KIOSK IS YOU'RE ABLE TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM IT, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXCESS YOUR ACCOUNT.

YOUR DATA, YOUR INFORMATION IS ALWAYS SECURED.

WORKING ON THAT ONE. DIGITAL ONLY PAYMENTS, HANDLING CASH TAKES TIME.

IT TAKES MORE STAFF, IT TAKES MORE HOURS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WE DO HAVE ABILITIES IN THE CITY.

IF SOMEONE REALLY NEEDED TO DO THAT, WE CAN HELP THEM AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT BY AND LARGE, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS A FINE FREE LIBRARY.

LIBRARY FINES ARE ABOUT BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION AND WHAT LIBRARIES

[01:30:02]

BASICALLY, WE WANT YOU TO BRING OUR STUFF BACK.

SOMEONE ELSE CAN USE IT. IF NO ONE IS REQUESTING THAT ITEM, WE WILL AUTOMATICALLY RENEW THAT ITEM FOR YOU SO YOU DON'T ACCRUE A FINE ANYWAY IF WE HAVE THEM.

THE OTHER IS IS THAT IF YOU LOSE THE ITEM, THEN YOU'D BE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING THAT ITEM.

WE FOUND THAT WE HAD SO MANY CHILDREN THAT OWED A LIBRARY TWO OR $3, AND MOM AND DAD STOPPED TAKING THEM TO THE LIBRARY BECAUSE OF THAT.

WE SPENT A LOT MORE THAN TWO OR $3 TO GET KIDS EXCITED ABOUT READING AND LEARNING AND EDUCATING THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I'M PITCHING TO YOU ALL.

THE ADME LEARNING STATIONS IN OUR CHILDREN'S AREA, WHICH IS REALLY REALLY COOL.

THESE STATIONS HAVE ABOUT 200 EDUTAINMENT TYPE GAMES ON IT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

THE KIDS ARE LEARNING, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING IT.

IT IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET, SO [INAUDIBLE], THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S SAFE, SECURE AND WHATNOT.

THESE STATIONS, YOU CAN TRUST TO SAY, YES, YOU CAN PLAY YOUR GAME ON IT.

YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE NOT SURFING SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T.

BUT LIKE SAY, IF A KIDDO NEEDS A LAPTOP OR WHATNOT.

MOM SAYS, HEY, I NEED TO BORROW ONE, THEY CAN.

WE HAVE A LAPTOP KIOSK, IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN DEVICE, YOU CAN BORROW AND YOU CAN USE ONE, OR SIT TOGETHER AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

HOURS OF OPERATION, THE MODEL THAT I HAVE PUT TOGETHER, AND I HAVE UNDERTAKEN SOME CHALLENGING AND SOMETIMES TRULY BLEEDING EDGE INNOVATION OF JUST EXPERIMENTING WITH THINGS AND TO MAKE IT ACCESS TO LIBRARIES EASIER.

BUT WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE MODELED ONLY 32 HOURS A WEEK OF STAFFED TIME.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT STAFF IS NOT WORKING IN THE BUILDING.

THERE'S LOTS OF WORK THAT GOES ON IN THE BACK, IN THE WORK ROOM AND PROCESSING AND HELPING PEOPLE ONLINE ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT 32 HOURS OF STAFFED TIME TO KEEP OUR COSTS LOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO US.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.

BUT TO GIVE OUR NEIGHBORS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 12 HOURS A DAY ACCESS TO THEIR LIBRARY.

THAT'S THE EXTENDED ACCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU'LL GET YOUR LIBRARY CARD.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPEN PLUS SERVICE, YOU'LL GO THROUGH A LITTLE ORIENTATION WITH US, AND THEN YOU'LL GET TO ACCESS THE LIBRARY A LOT MORE THAN YOU MIGHT OTHERWISE.

I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT MODEL.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK FOR US.

STAFFING, [INAUDIBLE] A LOT OF THIS IS IN THE BUDGET, JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I HAVE BEEN YOUR ONLY LIBRARIAN AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN.

BUT AS WE GET MORE INTO OPERATIONS, I'M GOING TO NEED A LITTLE HELP.

I STILL HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES IN MY DEPARTMENT AND THINGS TO DO.

MY TEAM IS, THEY'RE A LITTLE PRISSY SOMETIMES AND THEY WANT A LITTLE BIT OF MY TIME, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY GET IT.

AND WHAT I'M PLANNING TO DO IS TO RECRUIT AND BRING ON A LIBRARY SERVICES MANAGER, SOMETIME LATER THIS FALL, AFTER THE NEW BUDGET YEAR STARTS, PENDING YOUR APPROVAL.

THE SECOND POSITION THAT I'LL BRING IN ABOUT THE SAME TIME IS A TECHNOLOGY SERVICES LIBRARIAN.

AND THERE'S SOME REALLY EXCITING THINGS IN THAT WORKS FOR BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS, WHAT THEY'LL DO.

HR DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON SOME THINGS.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EXCITEMENT IN THE PROFESSION GENERATED AROUND THE REGION TO ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHATNOT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GREAT PROCESS.

A CIRCULATION SUPERVISOR WOULD COME ON SOMETIME IN THE SECOND QUARTER AND THEN A LIBRARY ASSISTANT COMING ON FULL TIME LIBRARY ASSISTANT COMING ON SOMETIME IN THE THIRD QUARTER.

IF YOU'LL REMEMBER AS WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING.

WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BOND PROPOSAL WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMING IN THE LIBRARY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A REC CENTER JUST YET.

WE WERE BASICALLY FOCUSING ON DOING PROGRAMMING, RECREATION PROGRAM, THE NON SWEATY STUFF.

OUR RECREATION STAFF, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR REC GUIDE, SO MANY OF OUR PROGRAMS TRANSLATE BEAUTIFULLY INTO THE LIBRARY, AND THAT'S BY DESIGN.

SO WE'LL START GEARING A LOT OF THE TEAM TOWARDS THAT, THE ENERGY TOWARDS THAT, AND WITH THE PLAZA COMING ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME.

AS THE LIBRARIAN, WE ALSO HAVE BASICALLY AN OUTDOOR PARK AND OUTDOOR SPACE TO DO ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS. IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE HOPPING DOWNTOWN.

NEEDLE MOVERS, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THE BOND COVERS EVERYTHING WE NEED TO OPEN ON DAY ONE. ALL THE STUFF.

THAT MEANS WHEN WE GET THE LIBRARY SOFTWARE SYSTEMS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THOSE ANNUAL SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AND STUFF THAT JUST GO ALONG WITH IT.

THEY'RE ALL INCLUDED IN THE FIRST YEAR.

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BUT THEN IN THE SUBSEQUENT FISCAL YEARS, THAT'S WHERE I'M SHOWING YOU CONTRACT SERVICES, COLLECTION MATERIALS, SALARIES IN THE SALARIES, THAT THAT'S A TOTAL BUDGET IMPACT, RETIREMENT, HEALTH INSURANCE, EVERYTHING.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT I HAVE AND KIND OF WHAT I'M GOING TOWARDS SO JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THAT.

>> THESE ARE SOME OF THE NERDIER THINGS THAT I COULD SPEND AN ENTIRE DAY TALKING ABOUT THE NUANCES AND ASPECTS OF EACH ONE.

I JUST COULDN'T HELP BUT SHARE IT.

BUT JUST BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE LEFT SIDE, MOST OF THAT IS THE SOFTWARE AND SOME OF THE HARDWARE, AND SOME OF THE CONTRACT.

WHEN WE SAY CONTRACT SERVICES, THAT'S THAT LICENSING THAT COMES ALONG ANNUALLY AND WITH ALL OF THE COOL THINGS. COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT.

OUR LIBRARY WILL HOLD APPROXIMATELY 45,000 TITLES IN THE LIBRARY.

MY INTENTION IS TO START OUR OPENING DATE COLLECTION WITH ABOUT 28,000 TITLES.

NOW, I MET WITH ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES DOWN IN THE CITY OF MELISSA THIS MORNING, AND THEY HAVE ABOUT 20,000 TITLES IN THEIR COLLECTION.

WE'RE STARTING OUT WITH A LARGER COLLECTION, AND THEN BUILDING OVER TIME, SAME FUND.

I'M ONLY SPENDING ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS OF THAT COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT ALLOTMENT TO GET THERE, BECAUSE TWO THINGS.

ONE IS, WHILE I CAN HOLD ABOUT 45,000 TITLES IN THERE, ULTIMATELY, THE BUILD-OUT IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY 65,000, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE ITEMS NEED TO BE IN PEOPLE'S HOMES.

WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE CONCERN OF WHAT A BANK IS WORRIED ABOUT.

BANK WORRIES ABOUT SOMEONE TAKING ALL THE STUFF OUT ALL AT ONCE.

LIBRARIES WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE BRINGING IT ALL BACK AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SHELF SPACE FOR IT.

THAT WILL ALSO GIVE US SOME DATA. I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF DATA.

I'VE GOT SOME CIRCULATION DATA FROM OUR NEIGHBOR LIBRARIES TO SEE IN THE AREA, WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE UTILIZING AND THINGS THAT THEY LIKE TO CHECK OUT.

THEN WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME MARKET ANALYSIS, SO I CAN SEE WHAT MY MARKET PENETRATION IS IN OUR COMMUNITY BASED ON CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHATNOT.

IT'S PRETTY EDUCATED START TO THIS.

BUT UNTIL PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THE LIBRARY, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA THAT I REALLY NEED.

IT WILL ALLOW THE STAFF TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE COLLECTION AND TAILOR IT TO OUR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.

THESE ARE ABOUT SEVEN OF THE POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN DRAFTED, AND LIKE I SAY, THIS IS REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF POLICIES THAT YOU NEED IN A LIBRARY.

OBVIOUSLY, WITH A MAKERSPACE.

WHO CAN USE IT? WHEN CAN THEY USE IT? HOW DOES IT WORK? SAFE CHILD POLICIES.

HOW CAN KIDS BE IN THERE LEFT ALONE, AND WHAT DO YOU DO AND HOW DO YOU HANDLE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? MAKE SURE ONE HAS A GOOD TIME AND EVERYONE IS SAFE.

THE EXTENDED ACCESS, THAT'S GOING TO BE NEW FOR US, SO THAT NEEDS TO HAVE ITS OWN RULES.

COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT. WHAT WE DO, WHEN WE DO, THAT TYPE OF THING.

VOLUNTEERS. WE HAVE A WONDERFUL CITYWIDE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.

THIS WILL CONNECT FLAWLESSLY AND SEAMLESSLY WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE UNIQUE.

IT'S BASICALLY A PARAGRAPH TO THE LIBRARY.

NOW THE MOST EXCITING PART IS, WHAT DO THE NEXT BIG MILESTONES LOOK LIKE TOWARDS OPERATIONS? I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THIS TIMELINE.

I WOULDN'T PRESENT IT TO YOU IF I DIDN'T, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A DRAFT, AND SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

WORKING WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE ANNA COMMUNITY LIBRARY, A SEPARATE SUPPORTIVE 501(C)(3) NONPROFIT, AND THE ANNA COMMUNITY LIBRARY FOUNDATION, WHICH OVER LONG TERM AND MANY YEARS, WE'LL FOCUS ON MORE CAPITAL TYPE THINGS, LARGE GIFTS.

IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE THE LIBRARY IN YOUR WILL, THEN WE WOULD BE GRATEFUL AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE FOUNDATION WOULD HELP WITH.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH ON A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN US SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT OUR ROLES ARE, WHO DOES WHAT AND THINGS.

I'M TRULY GRATEFUL, ALEXIA HAS STARTED THE DRAFT ON THAT.

I'M WORKING ON MY SIDE OF THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO, HOPEFULLY, BRING THAT FORWARD SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER.

THEN I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE PHASE 1 STAFFING, STARTS IN OCTOBER.

THEN LIBRARY CARD SIGN-UPS.

WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON DESIGN OF THE LIBRARY.

I'M PRIMARILY GOING TO BE GIVING OUR NEIGHBORS DIGITAL LIBRARY CARDS.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO CARRY AROUND AN EXTRA CARD AND THINGS.

HOWEVER, THIS IS OUR FIRST LIBRARY.

IT'S COOL TO GET A FIRST LIBRARY CARD.

THE IDEA IS THAT WE'LL ORDER PHYSICAL LIBRARY CARDS, YOU CAN GET DIGITAL ONES TOO, BUT WE'LL ORDER THE PHYSICAL LIBRARY CARDS SO THAT ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO WANTS ONE WILL GET A PHYSICAL CARD THAT THEY CAN KEEP.

THEY CAN USE, BUT THEY CAN KEEP IT AS A SOUVENIR IF THEY WANT TO.

[01:40:01]

THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE VOLUNTEERS HELPING US ON THE LIBRARY OF CITY HALL.

NEIGHBORS CAN COME IN. WE'LL BE ROLLING OUT THE DIGITAL LIBRARY.

WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A LIBRARY CARD AND YOU JUST HAVE TO SIT ON IT FOR A FEW MONTHS.

YOU ACTUALLY GET TO START USING IT ON DAY 1 THROUGH A VIRTUAL BRANCH, AND WE'LL BE HELPING NEIGHBORS DO THAT THAT ARE NEW TO IT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT, RIGHT NOW, A CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION OF MAY OF 2025.

WE HAVE THIS NEXT FRIDAY, AUGUST 2ND.

WE HAVE A BEAM SIGNING EVENT THAT MORNING SO THAT YOU CAN COME AND YOU CAN SIGN YOUR NAME ON THAT LAST BEAM, AND THAT AFTERNOON, IT'S GOING TO GO UP ON THE LIBRARY AND WILL BE IN THERE IN PERPETUITY.

ONCE WE GET THAT CONSTRUCTION COMPLETE, THEN WE GET TO GO INTO THE BUILDING.

IT TAKES ABOUT A MONTH OR SO TO DO ALL THE AUDIO, VISUAL.

IT IS PRETTY SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM THAT GOES ON THERE.

FINISH OUT THE COLLECTION, GETTING THAT ALL SHELVED, ALL THOSE 28,000 TITLES AND WHATNOT, TRAINING STAFF, TRAINING VOLUNTEERS, LEARNING HOW TO USE THE 3D PRINTERS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE MAKERSPACE.

HOPEFULLY, AT THAT POINT TOO, WE WOULD MOVE THE LIBRARY CARDS AND THOSE THINGS FROM THE LOBBY AT CITY HALL TO THE LIBRARY, AND THEN GET THE LIBRARY FULLY OPEN, FULLY FUNCTIONING, AND READY TO GO BY THE FIRST PART OF AUGUST, CERTAINLY NO LATER THAN THE FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER.

I'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND A COUPLE FOLKS ABOUT WHEN THAT WOULD BE GOOD TIMING FOR US TO DO THAT, TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT, A, WE'RE NOT SO OVERWHELMED ON DAY 1 AND THE SHELVES AREN'T COMPLETELY EMPTY ON DAY 2, BUT THAT OUR PROGRAM AND EVERYTHING REALLY IS IN PLACE AND READY TO SERVE WHEN THE KIDS GET BACK TO SCHOOL.

THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE INITIAL PROPOSED PLAN FOR LIBRARY OPERATIONS.

I COVET YOUR QUESTIONS, YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR DIRECTION, AND CERTAINLY THIS IS PHASE 1 OF A MULTI-CONVERSATION PROCESS.

>> THAT WAS A LOT. IT JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPENT ON THIS.

LOOKING AT THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS FOR FY '26 AND THE STUFF THAT WE WANT TO PUT IN OUR LIBRARY, I'M WAITING FOR YOU TO ASK FOR A ROBOT TO PUT THE BOOKS BACK ON THE SHELF.

IS THAT FOR '27?

>> THAT'S PROBABLY '27 OR '28.

>> OKAY.

>> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE AND THEY DO EXIST.

>> I'M JUST HOPING WE JUST OPEN A LIBRARY.

I DO HAVE ONE MAIN QUESTION.

HOW DO WE GENERATE MONEY OUT OF THIS LIBRARY?

>> EXCUSE ME.

I WANT TO TELL EACH ONE OF YOU THANK YOU FOR [INAUDIBLE].

GOD BLESS YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU, CAIN.

GOD BLESS YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU CAN GO BACK.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. [APPLAUSE]

>> I'M A LITTLE DISTRACTED NOW.

[LAUGHTER] THANKS.

>> THIS IS TRULY OFFICIALLY BECOME MY FAVORITE PRESENTATION I'VE EVER [INAUDIBLE].

>> YEAH.

>> THAT WAS AWESOME.

>> COUNCILMAN TOTEN, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MONETIZING DIFFERENT [OVERLAPPING]

>> YEAH, HOW DO WE GENERATE SOME MONEY TO MAYBE PAY FOR ONE PERSON SALARY?

>> THERE ARE METHODOLOGIES THAT CAN BE USED [INAUDIBLE].

WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST PRUDENT IS FOR ME TO DRAFT UP SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS, DISCUSS THEM WITH THE CITY MANAGER, [INAUDIBLE] OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND WHATNOT, AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO YOU.

>> AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING FREE, IT COST TAXPAYERS MONEY TO STOCK THE LIBRARY WITH THE COMPUTERS AND BOOKS, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

IF THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US, LIKE SOME DO, I DON'T WANT ALL TO PAY FOR THAT.

BUT THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

>> I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON IT ON HAVING PEOPLE, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THIS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT CARE ABOUT LIBRARIES AND THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WHEN I PASS, I WANT THAT LIBRARY TO GET $25,000.

[01:45:01]

BUT ALSO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T GET PROACTIVE.

[BACKGROUND] YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? A FEW WEEKS AGO, I WAS IN HERE REFERENCING THE ANNA EDUCATION FOUNDATION, AND FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS IT WAS AROUND, IT BROUGHT IN ABOUT $8,500, AND NOW IT BRINGS IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND REALLY A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENCES WERE JUST PEOPLE JUST ASKING.

YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE WILL GIVE YOU MONEY IF YOU JUST ASK THEM FOR IT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING RIGHT THERE TO WHERE COMMUNITY LEADERS CAN COME BEHIND AND GET THEIR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW.

GET THEIR NAME ON THAT ROW OF BOOKS WITH A $25,000 DONATION.

THERE'S TONS OF WAYS FOR THAT TO KICK BACK.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST THOROUGH PRESENTATIONS I THINK I'VE EVER SAT THROUGH, AND I DID THAT FOR 20 YEARS IN THE ARMY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ALL THE DATA THAT YOU GAVE, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF MONEY INVOLVED.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN A LOT OF MONEY INVOLVED, BUT THE COMMUNITY VOTED AND THEY WANTED THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE, I JUST GOT UP HERE.

YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF WORK ON THIS THING, AND IT JUST LOOKS AMAZING.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA IS GOING TO BE A SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY TO CELEBRATE.

I CAN SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE DANCING AND SINGING, AND I CAN SEE PEOPLE OVER THERE READING AND LEARNING AND GROWING.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING.

THE BIGGEST THING I WANTED TO TELL YOU IS GOOD JOB ON STARTING OUT WITH MORE BOOKS IN MELISSA.

[LAUGHTER] I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS.

IT'S A SUCCESS. YOU STARTED OUT WITH MORE BOOKS IN MELISSA, AND THANK YOU FOR [OVERLAPPING] PUTTING THAT IN THERE.

>> I LOVE IT.

>> WITH MUCH LOVE TOO WE'RE GOING TO [INAUDIBLE].

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. [LAUGHTER]

>> MARK, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, WE DO A LOT OF DREDGERS WORK UP HERE, PLANNING SEWER LINES AND DEVELOPER DISCUSSIONS AND ALL THAT.

BUT MEN I LOVE IT WHENEVER PARKS AND REC GETS UP HERE AND IT SAYS, HEY, LOOK WHAT WE'RE DOING.

YOU HAVE, ONCE AGAIN, SHOWN THAT YOU LOVE THIS CITY.

I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, AND ALL THE EXECUTIVE STAFF THAT SUPPORTS YOU.

MANY PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME HOW MUCH THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS LIBRARY.

THERE'S A HANDFUL OUT THERE THAT DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED A LIBRARY.

THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT WHEN WE GET IT OPEN.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST IN THIS AREA.

YOU ALLUDED TO IT, BUT I WAS HOPING TO DRIVE IT HOME.

HOW DO WE WORK WITH OTHER LIBRARIES? DO OTHER CITIES GET TO COME AND VISIT OUR LIBRARY SINCE WE'VE BEEN MOOCHING OFF OF THEIR LIBRARIES FOR YEARS? HOW'S THAT WORK?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IN THE COURSE OF MY CAREER AS A LIBRARY ADMINISTRATOR, PARKS AND RECREATIONAL, AND OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE DONE, BUILDING THOSE, NOT JUST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY AND MORE OF A REGIONAL TYPE ASPECT OF THE PARTNERSHIPS IS SO MUCH FUN.

EVERYONE BENEFITS IN THAT REGARD.

MEETING WITH MY COLLEAGUE DOWN IN MELISSA AT THEIR LIBRARY, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO EXPAND THEIR LIBRARY, WHICH IS EXCITING FOR THEM. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

BUT THEY ONLY HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, ABOUT 20,000.

OUR NEIGHBORS, AT LEAST WHEN WE CHECKED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, COMPRISED 49% OF THE MELISSA PUBLIC LIBRARY [INAUDIBLE].

THEY HAVE BEEN HELPING US OUT HEAVILY FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S NICE TO BE IN A POSITION TO GO DOWN THERE AND SAY, JENNIFER, WE WANT TO RETURN THE FAVOR.

CREATING A REGIONAL CONSORTIUM OF LIBRARIES TO SHARE RESOURCES IS A GREAT WAY TO START THAT.

WE'RE TALKING MAYBE THAT'S WITH THEN AUSTIN AND JUDY AND THEM UP THERE, INCLUDING MELISSA.

SPENCER SMITH, THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR IN MCKINNEY, AND I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR MANY YEARS, AND WE'VE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO SHARE RESOURCES AND MAKE MORE THINGS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE REGION.

COUNCILMAN BILLS, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE VISION OF DOWNTOWN AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE COMING AND LEARNING, AND CELEBRATING TOGETHER, DANCING AND WHATNOT.

THOSE FOLKS, LIKE OUR BOOTS AND BOOMS, WHICH IS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT, THEY'RE NOT ALL JUST ANNA NEIGHBORS.

IT'S A REGIONAL DRAW.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, ANNA'S STUFF IS WAY BETTER AND WE WANT TO GO.

OUR SKATE PARK. PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM ALL OVER FOR THAT SKATE PARK. SAME WITH SPLASH PAD.

OF COURSE, THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY HERE AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE COMING BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH SALES TAX AND WHATNOT.

EVERYONE IS WINNING WHEN WE DO THIS.

WE'RE HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK TO SHARE RESOURCES.

[01:50:04]

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING WITH THERE'S A BUNCH AREAS.

MY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, JEFF FREETH, AMAZINGLY TALENTED, INCREDIBLE HUMAN BEING.

HE'S CREATED A GROUP OF REGIONAL EVENT COORDINATORS THAT ARE LIKE HIM AND LIKE SOME OF OUR STAFF.

THEY GET TOGETHER PERIODICALLY, AND THEY TALK.

WHAT'S YOUR CALENDAR LOOK LIKE? WHAT EVENTS DO YOU HAVE GOING ON? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

WE WANT OUR NEIGHBORS TO GO VISIT ALL THE THINGS AND DO ALL THE THINGS.

WE WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO COME AND ENJOY OUR HOME TOO.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT FOR THE LIBRARY.

WHAT I ENVISION IN TIME AND THE WAY THE WORK ROOM IS DESIGNED IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A COURIER SERVICE.

AT 45,000 TITLES IN OUR LIBRARY, OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T SHELVE, BUY ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE PUBLISHED.

WITH LIBRARIES, IT'S ALL ABOUT ACCESS.

IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF IT LIVES ON OUR SHELF OR IT LIVES ON MELISSA SHELF, FROM MCKINNEY, OR PEORIA, ILLINOIS. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WE CAN BORROW IT ON YOUR BEHALF AND WE CAN GET YOU WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

THAT'S THE ACCESS PART.

IF WE CAN DO THAT REGIONALLY, THAT SAVES US ALL MONEY AND TIME, AND REALLY BUILDS THAT COOPERATIVE COMMUNITY.

>> YOUR EXPERTISE IS SHOWING THROUGH ALL THIS.

THAT'S AWESOME. I JUST HAVE TO ASK, ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE LIBRARIAN OF THIS THING OR [OVERLAPPING] THE PARTIAL?

>> YES, SIR. MY INTENTION IS I'M YOUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR.

LIBRARY AND RECREATION IS OUR FOCUS.

PARK DEVELOPMENT, PARK MAINTENANCE.

OUR CIP TEAM AND HOW WE'RE DOING THAT, IT'S MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. IT'S GREAT.

I'M REALLY EXCITED. I WILL BE OFFICING OVER THERE.

MY WHOLE TEAM IS PLANNING TO ALL BE MOVING OVER THERE.

>> SURE.

>> BE INVOLVED FROM DAY 1 ALL THE WAY THROUGH. ABSOLUTELY.

>> PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOUR BOSS THAT QUESTION.

[LAUGHTER] SEEMS LIKE HE'S ALL FOR IT.

>> EXACTLY. I THINK THAT'S HIS EXPECTATION.

>> YEAH, THAT'S COOL.

>> HE'S IN TALKS WITH YOU. HI, PEOPLE ASK ABOUT DONATING BOOKS.

ARE WE GOING TO BE RECEIVING DONATIONS? IF SO, WHEN CAN THOSE START?

>> DONATIONS ARE AMAZING, WONDERFUL.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEM.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU TAKE AN ITEM THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO YOU, TYPICALLY, IT IS NOT LIBRARY BINDING, SO IT DOESN'T LAST AS LONG.

IT TAKES US A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THE MILLER COVERS, AND DO ALL THE THINGS, STAMPS, THE STICKERS, THE FID, THE LABELS AND EVERYTHING ON IT.

IT DOESN'T LAST VERY LONG AS MENTIONED.

SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MEET OUR COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT NEEDS, GAPS IN OUR SERVICES, AND WHATNOT.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DONATE AN ITEM, THE FIRST THING THAT LIBRARIANS WILL DO IS THEY'RE LIKE, YES, WE CAN USE THESE TWO ITEMS, BUT MAYBE THESE 10 WE CAN'T.

TRADITIONALLY, THAT GOES TO THE FRIENDS OF THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, AND THEY PUT THEM IN STORAGE AND THEN THEY DO A BOOK SALE ONCE A YEAR, AND SO THAT MONEY GOES BACK IN TO SUPPLEMENT OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAMS, ADDING EXTRA CAMERAS, AFTER SCHOOL, SNACKS FOR OUR TEAM PROGRAMS. ALL OF THE ICING ON THE CAKE, REAL NICE THINGS.

WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ACCEPTING DONATIONS THAT WILL NECESSARILY GO ON THE SHELF.

BUT IF DONATIONS COME IN, THEN THEY'LL BENEFIT THE LIBRARY.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M WORKING ON WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, AND THAT MAY BE A THING TO COME BACK TO YOU AT A LATER TIME.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DYNAMIC AND HAVE SOME OF THEIR BOARD MEMBERS AND WHATNOT HERE.

HOW DOES THAT RELATIONSHIP WORK? WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO STORE IT RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S GOOD STORAGE IN THIS LIBRARY, BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR STORAGE LIKE THAT.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE OFF SITE. THOSE ARE THINGS WE JUST HAVE TO WORK ON AND FIGURE OUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM.

[INAUDIBLE].

>> THANKS FOR CLARIFYING ALL THAT.

THEN FOR THE VOLUNTEERS, FIRST OFF, I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY THAT HAVE STUCK THROUGH THIS FOR, I THINK WE'RE ON SEVEN YEARS NOW, EIGHT YEARS, 10 YEARS.

[BACKGROUND] A LONG TIME.

[LAUGHTER] IT'S FUNNY, THE PERSON THAT SAID THAT THE VOLUNTEERS WOULDN'T STICK AROUND HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN THE PERSON WHO SAID THAT.

[LAUGHTER] JUST FUNNY A LITTLE OBSERVATION.

AS FAR AS VOLUNTEERING, WILL WE BE LISTING ON OUR WEBSITE, THE TYPE OF VOLUNTEERS WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND WHEN WILL WE START RECEIVING VOLUNTEERS.

>> TYPICALLY, THAT WILL PROBABLY COME LATER IN THE SPRING.

AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE CONSTRUCTION BEING COMPLETED, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I CAN HAVE FOLKS

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WE'LL START WORKING ON THAT. I'LL BE WORKING ON THAT WITH MY NEW TEAM AS I BRING THEM ON.

THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE FINE LINES I'VE BEEN DANCING IS THAT I'M DESIGNING ALL OF THESE SERVICES BUILDING ALL THE THINGS, PICKING OUT THE EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT I HAVEN'T MET YET.

THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN FROM DIFFERENT MARKETS SOON WITH DIFFERENT EXPERTISE AND DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY IN AND CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF POSITIONS, I HAVE IDEAS FOR.

I'VE RUN THE PROGRAMS GRAD BEFORE, SO YES.

I KNOW HOW TO GUIDE IT.

BUT I WANT TO WORK WITH THE TEAM AND SEE IF THERE'S BETTER IDEAS ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS.

ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO GET INTO THE BUILDING, JUST ISSUING LIBRARY CARDS, DOING THE ORIENTATION FOR OPEN PLUS, STARTING SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING AND SOME OF THE CLASSES, WHETHER WE'RE DOING GD, ESL, HOW TO DO A BUSINESS PLAN, HOW TO PAINT, DRAW, WHATEVER IT IS, I'M GOING TO NEED VOLUNTEERS FOR THAT.

WE'LL BE HURTING VERY AGGRESSIVELY ONCE WE GET OVER THERE.

>> ACTUALLY, AS FAR AS A FUNDING SOURCE.

I KNOW THE CITY OF CARLTON CHARGES FOR THOSE CLASSES AS VOLUNTEER FUN CLASSES, AND IS THAT THE MODEL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT?

>> IT DEPENDS. IT'S LIKE OUR RECREATION PROGRAM.

ARE THERE CONSUMABLE ITEMS? WHAT'S THE COST OF [INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S THE COST TO US? WHAT'S THE ROI HOW WOULD THAT WORK? IT'S GOING TO DEPEND VERY MUCH LIKE RECREATION.

>> SURE. AS FAR AS FUNDING, WE HAVE A LOT OF BRICKS.

ARE WE GOING TO DO A BRICKS FUND RAISER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I WILL GIVE THIS THOUGHT AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATION.

>> SURE. I KNOW WE HAVE LOTS OF GRANTS AVAILABLE.

LAST QUESTION THAT I KEEP GETTING ASKED EVERY TIME. QUITE OFTEN.

THE SENIOR CITIZENS ARE WONDERING IF THE LIBRARY WILL BE USED AS A TEMPORARY SENIOR CENTER WHILE WE FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A PERMANENT ONE.

>> THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER IS, YES.

THERE WILL BE PROGRAMS THAT ARE GEARED TOWARDS OUR SENIOR NEIGHBORS.

I'M REALLY EXCITED I KNOW ONE OF THEM.

BUT BARBARA, OUR RECREATION COORDINATOR THAT OVERSEES OUR SENIOR TRIPS AND WHATNOT.

SHE'S GOT A LOT OF IDEAS.

SHE'LL BE CONTINUING TO OVERSEE THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS, BUT WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE SPACE WHERE WE CAN DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

I WOULD BE KIND NICE TOO FOR SOME OF THE REST OF MY RECREATION TEAM, NOT JUST FOR SENIOR FOR YOU.

WE DO THE LOW IN THE DARK PAINTING.

WE DO IT HERE AT CITY HALL, WE DO IT AT SKY VIEW.

WE MAKE SURE THAT THE BOSSES HAVE ALL LEFT SO THEY DON'T SEE WHAT I'M DOING BY PUTTING TARPS DOWN ALL OVER THE ROOM AND THERE BRINGING PAINT IN.

I COULD DO THAT OVER THE LIBRARY.

IT'S ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THAT'LL BE A BIG GAME CHANGER FOR US IN PROGRAM.

>> COOL. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR VOTERS FOR PASSING THIS THROUGH.

I HOPE THAT THEY FIND THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THEIR MONEY, OUR MONEY IS OVER AND ABOVE ANYTHING ANY OF US EXPECTED.

>> THANKS, SIR.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE AWESOME AND YOUR TEAM IS AWESOME.

>> THANK YOU. THEY'RE MOST LEGIT GROUP I WORK WITH.

>> [BACKGROUND] I JUST SAY WORKING WITH THE TASK FORCE AND SEEING THIS PROJECT, IT WAS EXCITING.

I GOT A LITTLE EMOTIONAL WHEN I SAW GO VERTICAL AND COME BY EVERY DAY, GO DEEP AND TAKE CARE OF THE DIGNIFY STUFF, AND I JUST WATCH EVERY DAY.

I JUST GROWS. IT'S EXCITING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, MARK. APPRECIATE IT.

GREAT PRESENTATION, BY THE WAY.

[6. Consent Items. ]

I WAS MAY BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY BY ANY COUNCIL MEMBER BY MAKING SUCH REQUEST.

PRIOR TO A MOTION AND A VOTE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS. COUNSEL, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO REMOVE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6 A, B, AND C.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> CAN WE JUST GET THAT MOTION ON RECORDING SO YOU CAN [LAUGHTER].

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOTEN, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HERNDON.

WOULD PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

[BACKGROUND]

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.

SIX PASSES.

TAKES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7,

[7. Items For Individual Consideration. ]

ITEM A. CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERED DISCUSSED ACT ON AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 20.5 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH POWELL PARKWAY, 730 PLUS OR MINUS FEET SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 373.

FROM SINGLE FAMILY E, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LARGE LOT TO MULTI FAMILY AND REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. MISS MICKEY.

>> AT THE JUNE 25 MEETING, CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE ITEM NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.

THIS PROPERTY, JUST TO REITERATE WHERE IT IS, IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WHERE THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY IS FUTURE WEST CROSSING BOULEVARD NORTH, AND THE EASTERN BOUNDARY IS NORTH POWELL PARKWAY.

THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONTAGE FACING NORTH POWELL PARKWAY AND MULTI FAMILY ON THE PORTION FACING WEST CROSSING BOULEVARD NORTH.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CHANGED AT THE JUNE 25TH MEETING TO REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER.

THE REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO.

TABLED THIS ITEM AT THE LAST OR AT THE JUNE 25TH MEETING.

>> THANK YOU, MISS MICKEY.

>> COUNSEL I HAD ORIGINALLY MADE THAT MOTION THAT YOU SUPPORTED SO THAT WE COULD HAVE OUR MEETING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

THAT MEETING IS NOW AT THE END OF THIS MONTH? [BACKGROUND] NEXT TUESDAY YOU RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CAN KEEP THE HEARING OPEN UNTIL WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT MEETING.

>> I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I SAID TWO WEEKS AGO.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OF THAT MEETING NEXT TUESDAY THAT WILL CHANGE THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CAN'T DISCUSS TONIGHT? INSTEAD OF DELAYING ANOTHER DEVELOPER AGAIN.

>> IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED UP HERE THAT WE WERE GOING TO.

AS A COUNCIL DISCUSS MULTIFAMILY, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED A LOT OF CONCERNS.

WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE WANTING TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED AS FAR AS MULTI FAMILY, AND THAT IS WHY THE MOTION WAS MADE.

>> I KNOW, BUT WHAT IN THE NEXT WEEK'S MEETING?

>> I'M NOT A FORTUNE TELLER, KEVIN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS NEXT WEEK AND WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF IT.

>> BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

ARE YOU LOOKING TO CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT OR YOU LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNSEL IS ON MULTIFAMILY? I THINK A LOT OF THIS THING, MOST OF US KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT WITH MULTIFAMILY.

>> YOU CAN DENY THE MOTION.

>> I HAVE A MOTION, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND.

>> I SECOND.

>> WHO SECONDED?

>> WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARVER.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MILLER, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

IT WORKED EVENTUALLY LAST TIME.

THERE WE GO. THAT MOTION FAILED TWO TO FIVE.

THE TWO YESES WERE COUNCIL MEMBER CARVER AND COUNCIL MEMBER MILLER.

COUNSEL? DO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MORE CONVERSATION? IS THE DEVELOPER HERE?

>> THE PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES FROM WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES HERE.

>> ARE THEY WILLING TO COME UP? [BACKGROUND] CAN YOU COME UP, SIR? IT'S ALL RIGHT.

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>> DAVID CALIFER, THE LIST OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

I WAS HERE BEFORE YOU AUGUST 25TH.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE ASKED.

WE WENT BACK AND REVIEWED VIDEO.

WE ALSO LOOKED INTO THE SEWER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

THERE IS SEWER AVAILABLE OF BOSS RAIL ROAD DRIVE.

IT IS OUR INTENTION, MY CLIENT'S INTENTION FOR THE COMMERCIAL FIRST.

WE'RE LOOKING AT RESTAURANTS, RETAIL. WHAT ELSE DID WE SAY? CONVENIENCE TYPE STORE, MAYBE A SMALL MARKET.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LARGE TRAVEL PATTERN HEAD SOUTH, AND SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT TRAFFIC WITH THE COMMERCIAL.

I ALSO KNOW FOR A FACT, DOWN COUNTY ROAD 1106, THERE'S A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT AT THE END OF THAT ROAD. ONE, IT'S OUR PROJECT.

THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER 772 LOT DEVELOPMENT [INAUDIBLE] THAT.

ALL THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SHOP IN A CLOSER RANGE [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW.

PROBABLY COMING AT SOME POINT.

BUT WE LOOKED INTO THE TAX RATE AND WHAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GENERATE POSSIBLY IN SALES TAX.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT ABOUT 300,000 A YEAR.

THEN TO GO ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES FOR BOTH OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WE'LL DO AT ABOUT 310,000 A YEAR.

BUT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

I KNOW THAT AS FAR AS THE BACKSIDE, FOR A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS.

ONE OF THEM SAID THIS WAS IDEAL BECAUSE IT'S BETWEEN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND THE MINI STORAGE, AND THEN A GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S EVENTUALLY COMING BEHIND US AND THE COMMERCIAL PARK.

>> SURE. ABSOLUTELY. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ON FIVE. I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? HAS THIS DEVELOPER DONE THIS BEFORE AND WHAT ARE THE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT TYPE PEOPLE THAT THEY GO AFTER OR.

>> I'M NOT, I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT THEY'VE DONE THIS FOR.

BUT I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS TAKE THIS PLAN TO MARKET TO BROKERS, PEOPLE WHO DO TENANT LEASES, AND SEE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED.

>> SURE.

>> THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE DO WITH ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE WORKED ON.

THEY TAKE OUR PLAN TO MARKET AND GENERATE INTEREST.

ONCE THEY REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL, THAT'S WHEN THEY GET TICKED OFF.

>> GOT IT. THEN ON THE BACK SIDE, IT SAYS GATED ENTRY.

WITH THE MULTIFAMILY, WOULD THAT BE A HIGHER END GATED ENTRY TYPE THING?

>> YES, SIR. WE ARE SHOWING GATES WHERE THE MAIN SPINE ROAD COMES IN.

[INAUDIBLE].

>> UNDERSTOOD. HOW MUCH ON THE MULTIFAMILY, I'M SORRY.

IT'S KIND OF IS IT THREE STORIES FOR EACH ONE OF THEM?

>> CORRECT. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT IT IS PER DENSITY.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES.

WE'RE COMING IN WITH STRAIGHT ZONES.

WHATEVER'S ON YOUR BOOKS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THOSE ZONING 25 UNITS PER ACRE.

WE'RE ONLY DOING 20. WE'RE NOT EVEN REACHING THE FULL 70 ADDITIONAL 75 UNITS WE COULD BE DOING.

WE'RE JUST A STRAIGHT 300.

>> SURE. YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING, YOU SAID THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO STICK TO DOING THE COMMERCIAL FIRST.

>> THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.

>> BECAUSE WE MAY I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEGALLY LOCK YOU INTO THAT OR NOT.

LEGALLY. I DON'T KNOW.

CLARK, CAN WE IF WE ALLOW THIS, COULD WE SIGN SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO DO THE COMMERCIAL FIRST, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'D HAVE TO AGREE TO IT, BUT THAT WOULD THAT BE AN AGREEMENT THAT COULD STAND UP?

>> [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE]

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, IF SUCH AN AGREEMENT WERE TO COME ABOUT WHERE WE'D HAVE TO REACH

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>> SURE.

>> THAT'S A WAY TO DO IT.

>> YEAH.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50,000-55,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.

>> YEAH, THAT'S AWESOME, AND WE NEED THAT ON FIVE, AND WE NEED IT UP NORTH.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COUNCIL IS.

WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COUNCIL IS.

I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK FOR ALL OF YOU ALL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A COMPLEX LANDSCAPE AS FAR AS MULTIFAMILY IS CONCERNED, AND I GET IT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

BUT WE CANNOT TELL PEOPLE YOU WILL NOT BUILD ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY UNIT IN THIS CITY OR THE ETJ.

YOU CAN. YOU CAN SAY NO EVERY SINGLE TIME, YOU CAN VOTE THAT DOWN.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER, ESPECIALLY ON FIVE, BECAUSE IF YOU TURN THEM DOWN ON THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT YET YOU WANT THE COMMERCIAL, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE GETTING THE COMMERCIAL IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE MULTIFAMILY.

THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO PUT BEHIND THAT? THAT IT'S SO SMALL OF A TRACT BETWEEN FIVE AND ANY OTHER LAND OWNERS, IT'S SO SMALL THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THERE.

IT WOULD BE LIKE A MILLION 0.5 THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GET FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR TWO MILL, AND IT WOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND COMMERCIAL.

>> ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS WE FEEL MULTI-FAMILY WORKS HERE IS WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS THERE, NOT ONLY IS IT WALKABLE TO THE COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S ALSO WILL HELP ANY BUDDING RESTAURANT BECAUSE THE FIRST YEAR IS CRITICAL, RIGHT?

>> SURE.

>> IF THEY'RE ABLE TO WALK TO THE RESTAURANTS, NOT HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR, WALK TO A RESTAURANT, WALK TO A STORE, AND MAKE THE COMMERCIAL SUSTAINABLE FROM THAT ASPECT OF IT.

>> JUST BEING ABLE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO DRIVE UP HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHITE STREET TO GET GAS, TO GO TO A CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL NOT HAVE TO FLOW.

THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I LOVE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS UP THERE TO THE NORTH TO VAN ALSTYNE.

BUT WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BUILD OUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN VAN ALSTYNE? IF YOU JUST LOOK RIGHT NORTH, YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN VAN ALSTYNE THAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DRIVE FURTHER UP INTO VAN ALSTYNE.

I'D JUST COME OVER HERE AND GO TO A RESTAURANT.

NOW THOSE TAX DOLLARS COME BACK TO US.

I UNDERSTAND THE MULTIFAMILY AND I GET IT IN CERTAIN PLACES AND I RESPECT THAT.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO SAY, WE GOT TO PUT A HOLD ON THIS MULTIFAMILY AND WE CAN'T BUILD ANYMORE FOR THE NEXT 30 OR 40 YEARS OR WHATEVER, AND EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE 2050 PLAN.

WELL, THE 2050 PLAN IS NOW.

THE POPULATION FOR 2050 IS NOW.

IT'S IN 2024 AND 2025, NOT 2050.

THAT'S JUST BY GROWTH. THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY'S DONE.

IT'S JUST THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE.

PEOPLE LIKE THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS, PEOPLE LIKE THE AFFORDABILITY, AND THEY'VE DECIDED TO MOVE HERE, AND THEY'VE STATED THAT LOUDLY BY US BEING THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> FOURTH.

>> OR FOURTH, I'M SORRY.

>> I DON'T THINK NONE OF US ARE TOTALLY 100 PERCENT AGAINST APARTMENTS.

IT'S THE LOCATION OF WHERE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS ARE TRYING TO PUT APARTMENTS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE.

>> THIS IS EMPTY LAND.

THE CLOSEST HOUSE IS MAYBE 200 YARDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR MAYBE FURTHER THAN THAT.

>> I WOULD SAY FURTHER THAN THAT.

>> YEAH. GOING TO THE MINI STORES, GOING NEXT TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS.

I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF APARTMENTS.

I THINK YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT.

YOU THE WATCH MEETINGS OR HAVE BEEN TO MEETINGS, AND I'VE SPOKE UP AGAINST APARTMENTS A LOT.

BUT I DO KNOW THEY'RE NEEDED.

DO YOU ALL HAVE AN IDEA WHO MAY BE THE BUILDER?

>> NO, I DO NOT. ONCE AGAIN, THIS WOULD PROBABLY GO TO MARKET TO FIND THE BEST BUILDER.

>> OKAY.

>> IF WE'RE TALKING A GATED COMMUNITY UP HERE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLASS A OR A CLASS B.

>> THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION. IF IT'S GATED, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF PFC OR HFC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> RIGHT, AND THIS IS DONE GARDEN STYLE.

WE PURPOSELY PUT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE RUNNING NORTH SOUTH UP AGAINST THE RETAIL TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE URBAN, BUT EXTEND THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT LARGER.

ALL THE HALLWAYS ARE INTERNALIZED.

>> I THINK THIS IS A PRIME SPOT WITH THE APARTMENTS WITH THE RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE.

IF YOU GO DOWN 121, THERE'S A PRIME SPOT OF RETAIL RIGHT THERE WITH RESTAURANTS AND APARTMENTS BUILDING AROUND IT.

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>> YES.

>> THIS IS IDEAL. THIS COULD BE HUGE.

THAT RETAIL COULD BE HUGE, AND THE APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE, AND THE GROWTH.

LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

YOU HAVE NORTH POINT AND YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF HUGE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, AND THAT HELPS THE TRAFFIC FLOW DOWN WHERE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES.

TIMELINE ON TURNING DIRT.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO SOLVE THE ISSUE OF CROSSING THE ROAD ROAD WITH THE SEWER.

>> OKAY, I GOT YOU. THEN WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE A LITTLE BIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, MAYBE NOT YOU OR WHOEVER THE PARTNER IS, ABOUT GETTING SO A PERCENTAGE OF THE RETAIL OPEN?

>> THAT'S CERTAINLY A QUESTION I'LL GO BACK AND ASK.

>> YEAH.

>> WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TOO.

>> YES, SIR.

>> WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.

>> I BELIEVE THAT. I DO LIKE THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.

THE APARTMENTS RIGHT HERE MAKE SENSE.

IT'S NOT NEXT TO OR IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER PREEXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING REALLY QUICK.

WE'RE HAVING THIS THEORETICAL DISCUSSION ABOUT APARTMENTS UP HERE AGAIN, WHICH WAS THE POINT OF THE MEETING, WHICH EVERYBODY AGREED ON.

JUST UNFORTUNATELY, IT GOT PUSHED BACK A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT EXERCISE.

AS FAR AS SINCE WE'RE FORCED TO VOTE ON IT NOW, HONESTLY, I'VE BEEN UP HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND I'VE GOT BURNED SO MANY TIMES WITHOUT A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT AND A ZONING CHANGE.

I'M GOING TO BE A NO JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GOING TO GET, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET, I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT YET.

I'VE PROBABLY BEEN ONE OF THE PROPONENTS.

I THINK I'VE PROBABLY BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR A BIG CHUNK OF THE APARTMENTS THAT GONE HERE.

>> I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

ONE THING WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR IS ANY VARIANCES TO YOUR STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDES THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN PLACE.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> WE'RE ADHERING TO YOUR CODES.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES.

WE ARE ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE COULD DO FROM A FULL DENSITY.

I HOPE YOU WOULD RECONSIDER.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CLARK.

SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, IF WE SAY YES TO THIS NOW, CAN WE PUT STIPULATIONS ON IT UNTIL THERE IS A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT?

>> YEAH.

BECAUSE THIS IS STRAIGHT ZONING?

>> YES, SIR.

>> YOU CANNOT PLACE CONDITIONS ON IT AS YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THE ANSWER.

>> THERE IS ONE OTHER ITEM.

>> I'M SORRY, UNLESS THE APPLICANT WERE TO AGREE TO IT, AND IT WOULD MAKE THE USE LESS INTENSIVE.

BOTH OF THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD HAVE TO EXIST.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LESS INTENSIVE PART.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.

BUT WE DO HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL.

AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO ACRES AND WE HAVE TO ANNEX AND THEN RESULT, AND SO I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR CLIENT AND THEN HAVE THAT ANSWER OR HOPEFULLY A DRAFT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THAT ACCEPTANCE BECAUSE WE WILL NEED THAT BACK ACCESS AT SOME POINT.

>> WHERE'S THE PART THAT YOU'LL NEED TO ANNEX?

>> IT'S ALONG WEST CROSSING.

IT'S ABOUT HALF OF IT'S IN THE WEST CROSSING, AND IT'S LINEAR.

>> YOU MEAN ALONG WEST CROSSING BOULEVARD?

>> YES.

>> OKAY, GOT THAT.

>> WE CAN'T PLAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M ASKING THIS TO.

IF WE DENY THIS, HE CAN COME BACK WITH THE SAME EXACT THING IN THREE MONTHS IN THE MEANTIME, WORK ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

LAURIE? MAYBE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE.

DO WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT MULTIFAMILY HAS TO LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE, WHAT THEY HAVE TO USE ON THE OUTSIDE, HOW MUCH THEY CAN BUILD PER SQUARE FOOT? IS ALL OF THAT IN PLACE?

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IF HE TRIES TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO USE THIS TYPE OF MASONRY BECAUSE I WANT TO USE THIS CHEAPER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO TELL HIM NO.

>> IN 2019, THE STATE LAWS CHANGE THAT PROHIBIT CITIES FROM HAVING BUILDING MATERIAL STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCES.

THAT IS WHY THE CITY OF ANNA HAS CHOSEN TO AGREE WITH DEVELOPERS IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR BUILDING MATERIALS SPECIFICALLY.

WE DO HAVE ARTICULATION STANDARDS THAT TALK ABOUT HOW THE FACADE CAN'T JUST BE ONE STRAIGHT EDGE.

THERE HAS TO BE WINDOWS.

THERE HAS TO BE BALCONIES.

WE DO HAVE THOSE STIPULATIONS IN THERE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, NO ORDINANCES THAT THE CITY CAN ADOPT CAN TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF MATERIAL.

YOU CAN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE MASONRY UNLESS THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO.

>> OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. POTENTIALLY, HE COULD BUILD THE MULTIFAMILY AND HE COULD PUT FACADE ON THERE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH.

>> CORRECT

>> THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO WITH UNLESS THERE WAS A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT?

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. I GET WHY EVERYBODY WANTS A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FACADE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO.

>> THERE'S A FEW CAVEATS. THERE'S SOME EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAD INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS THAT WE CAN STILL ENFORCE MASONRY, BUT IN THIS CASE, NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

>> OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. I SEE WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT THEN.

>> THERE'S ONE OTHER PART OF IT, MR. BILLS.

>> CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE?

>> IF WE DENY THIS, WHEN CAN HE COME BACK WITH THE SAME THING? IN THE MEANTIME, CAN WE WORK ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT?

>> IT'S SIX MONTHS IS THE TIMELINE, NOT THREE MONTHS.

>> WHAT IS WE TABLE THAT?

>> WHAT YOU GOT, LEE?

>> NO, THAT WE ORIGINALLY TRIED TO TABLE IT AND IT DIDN'T WORK.

LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

MY BIGGEST OBJECTION HAS TO DO WITH PREVIOUS COUNCILS ENTITLED A BUNCH OF MULTIFAMILY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT THEY ENTITLED A BUNCH OF THESE, AND THEN WE CAME ALONG LATER AND WE WERE HANDCUFFED.

MAYBE THEY SELL THE PROPERTY.

MAYBE WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE SONG AND DANCE, THEY NEVER REALLY BUILD ANYTHING.

WE JUST CAME TO THE DETERMINATION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS IN PLACE FOR THESE SITUATIONS SO THAT WE DIDN'T GET BURNED, ESSENTIALLY.

>> I THINK, YES. I THINK WE'VE LEARNED OUR LESSON A LOT ON THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN A PART OF SOME OF THAT TRYING TO.

THEN ESPECIALLY WITH APARTMENTS, I FEEL IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW YOU.

BUT IT'S HARD TO TRUST ANYONE RIGHT NOW WITH APARTMENTS.

BECAUSE YOU COULD SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE RETAIL FIRST, BUT THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BY.

YOU CAN JUST BUILD THOSE APARTMENTS, RETAIL LAND IS EMPTY, AND YOU'RE OUT.

YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? IT'S JUST I LIKE THE PROJECT, I JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN PLACE WHERE THE APARTMENTS MAYBE COME YEARS LATER, BECAUSE FIVE IS ABOUT TO BE EXPANDED, SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MESS.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

STEPHANIE SCOTT-SIMS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR STRAIGHT REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

WHEN YOU HAVE STRAIGHT REZONING OF PROPERTY, YOU CANNOT ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING JUST, AGAIN, A STRAIGHT REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

THE ONLY TIME YOU'RE ABLE TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH A DEVELOPER, AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, IS IF THEY WERE REQUESTING A REZONING TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR A PD, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY THEN TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PLACE, WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, STIPULATIONS REGARDING BUILDING MATERIALS.

AS OF RIGHT NOW,

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THAT'S ANOTHER THING. THEY'VE ALREADY REQUESTED A CHANGE OF FUTURE LAND USE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THIS REQUEST.

THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.

NOW THEY'VE COME BACK AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR ZONING IN PLACE, WHICH THEIR REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION THAT YOU APPROVED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO WITH THE ZONING HERE TONIGHT.

>> MY CONCERN IS THIS.

YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT AND YOU'VE GOT MULTI FAMILY IN THE BACK.

WE'VE HAD ONE PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE SAME THING AND THEY SOLD IT AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD STRAIGHT APARTMENTS ON IT.

SO IF WE DO THIS, IS IT AN EITHER OR, OR IS IT BOTH? CAN WE HOLD THEM TO COMMERCIAL ON ONE SIDE AND MULTIFAMILY IN THE BACK OR HOW DOES THAT FLOW?

>> WE'RE NOT REZONING TO JUST MULTIFAMILY.

WE'RE REZONING TO MULTIFAMILY AND REGIONAL C2.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO DO THE FRONT HALF FOR MULTIFAMILY.

>> BUT THIS DOESN'T STIPULATE FRONT HALF OR BACK HALF.

IT JUST SAYS BOTH.

>> I DON'T THINK ANY KIND OF DEVELOPER WOULD PUT RETAIL BEHIND APARTMENTS, BUT WHO KNOWS?

>> NO, THEY COULD THEY COULD BUILD STRAIGHT APARTMENTS IS MY POINT.

>> NO, THEY CAN'T.

>> THEY CAN'T.

>> THERE'S MEETS AND BOUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMMERCIAL WITH THE MULTIFAMILY ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET.

>> THAT WAS MY POINT. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND WE HAVEN'T NEGOTIATED ONE.

BUT YOU COULD DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT A LATER COUNCIL MEETING AS LONG AS IT WAS NOT REQUIRING THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A CERTAIN ZONE, JUST TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.

WE DO THAT IN A SEQUENCE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OCCURS FIRST AND IT'S CONTINGENT ON FURTHER APPROVALS AND DEVELOPER PROCESS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT OCCUR.

BUT THE COUNCIL IS NEVER BOUND TO ADOPT A CERTAIN ZONE BECAUSE THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION, AND YOU CAN'T DELEGATE THAT, YOU CAN'T CONTRACT THAT AUTHORITY AWAY.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AUTHORIZED TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PRIOR TO ZONING AND WE CAN EITHER DISCUSS THAT FURTHER IN CLOSED SESSION.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

>> CAN I MAKE A MOTION? IN GOOD FAITH, I THINK YOU'RE ON A GOLD MINE FOR RETAIL RIGHT THERE, SO I'M HOPING IT DOESN'T GO THE WAY THAT PREVIOUS ONES HAVE.

YOU WANT TO BE HERE? WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7A.

>> I'M PRETTY SURE I NEED TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE START GOING INTO THAT.

>> THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING?

>> YEAH, WE'RE CONTINUING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MY BAD.

>> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD AS FAR AS QUESTIONS ARE CONCERNED? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:56 P.M.

>> GOOD.

>> WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

>> IN GOOD FAITH, I WILL REDO MY MOTION AND I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 7A.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOTEN.

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PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

MOTION PASSES 5-2.

TWO NO'S WERE COUNCILMAN CARVER AND COUNCILMAN MILLER.

NEXT, ITEM 7B.

CONSIDER TO DISCUSS ACT ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ANNA 23 CONCEPT PLAN. MISS MICKEY?

>> THE CONSENT PLAN WAS CONTINGENT ON THE ZONING.

IT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.

THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL?

>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7B.

>> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOTEN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BILLS.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

ITEM PASSES 5-2, TWO NO'S WHERE COUNCILMAN CARVER AND COUNCILMAN MILLER.

ITEM C, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER AN ACT APPROVING AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING SANITARY SEWER UTILITY RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.

BUDGET MANAGER, TERRI DOBY.

>> GOOD EVENING.

I'M TERRI DOBY, THE BUDGET MANAGER, AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR UTILITY FUND.

OUR UTILITY FUND OPERATES AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, MEANING THAT IT'S NOT TAXPAYER SUPPORTED, IT IS RATE PAYER SUPPORTED.

WE ONLY CHARGE THE REVENUES TO COVER OUR EXPENSES AND TRY TO DO THAT WITHIN A BALANCED BUDGET.

WITHIN THE UTILITY FUND, WE ARE CHARGING FOR WATER CONSUMPTION, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, AND THERE IS A PASS THROUGH TO PAY OUR SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL CONTRACTOR.

THERE WE GO. THIS YEAR, WE ARE PROPOSING A 10% INCREASE ON BOTH THE WASTEWATER BASE CHARGE AND THE WASTEWATER VOLUME CHARGE.

WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY INCREASE TO WATER RATES.

THESE INCREASES ARE NECESSARY BECAUSE WE'RE RECEIVING A 15% INCREASE FROM OUR PROVIDER, THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, AND WE'RE ALSO CONSTANTLY ADDING TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP UP WITH OUR GROWTH.

THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT 10% INCREASE WILL LOOK LIKE FOR AN AVERAGE WASTEWATER USER OF 5,000 GALLONS.

AS I SAID, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE WATER RATE.

THE WASTEWATER RATE WILL RESULT IN IF YOU USE 5,000 GALLONS, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD, A $6.37 INCREASE EACH MONTH, AND THAT WOULD TAKE OUR TOTAL BILL FOR A 5,000 GALLON USER FROM ALMOST $124 TO 130.

WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WHY NOT RAISE THE WATER RATE?

>> AS I SAID, OUR INTENT IS TO COVER OUR COSTS FOR EACH OF THOSE, AND WATER, WE'RE DOING VERY WELL ON.

WE'RE NOT HAVING TO INCREASE OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AS MUCH AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

OUR SEWAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE ALSO NOT SEEING THE INCREASE FROM OUR PROVIDER THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.

WE WILL MEET OUR NEEDS ON THE WATER SIDE IF WE'RE JUST LEAVING THE RATE THE SAME.

>> BECAUSE I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME, WHY IS MY SEWER RATE HIGHER THAN MY WATER USAGE? I WONDERED THE SAME THING, BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT STARTING IN JANUARY.

>> WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO CURRENTLY TRANSPORT A GOOD AMOUNT OF OUR WASTEWATER THROUGH THE CITY OF MELISSA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TREATMENT CENTER IN WILEY, AND HAVING TO TRANSPORT IT AND THE LINES TO TRANSPORT IT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE,

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IT'S JUST MORE FOR US RIGHT NOW.

>> WHEN WE OPEN OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, WILL THIS GO DOWN?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL GO DOWN, BUT IT CERTAINLY THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS TO GET MORE CONTROL OF OUR RATES.

IT IS OUR INTENT TO BECOME A REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER TO CHARGE THE CITIES AROUND US, WESTON, VAN ALSTYNE FOR THEIR SEWAGE TREATMENT.

HOPEFULLY, HELPING TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON ALL OF OUR RATE PAYERS, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBOR RATE PAYERS, BY NOT HAVING TO PAY THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT THE PRICE THAT THEY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO PAY.

>> IS THIS ANOTHER ONE OF THEM GOOD BENEFITS OF BEING A NON MEMBER CUSTOMER OF NORTH TEXAS WATER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.

>> CUSTOMER CITIES DO HAVE A REDUCED RATE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

I'M SORRY, MEMBER CITIES HAVE A REDUCED RATE.

WE ARE A CUSTOMER CITY, SO WE DO PAY A HIGHER RATE PER THOUSAND GALLONS ON BOTH THE WATER AND THE SEWER.

>> HOW DO WE BECOME A MEMBER?

>> WE CANNOT.

>> IT'S A CLOSED CLUB.

>> WHEN WE BUILD OUR OWN, IT DOESN'T GO DOWN.

>> IT'LL KEEP IT FROM, I GUARANTEE YOU.

>> WILL KEEP IT FROM GOING ANY HIGHER?

>> THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN PREDICT FINANCIALLY THAT THE RATES ARE NEVER GOING TO GO UP.

WE CANNOT MAKE THAT PREDICTION.

>> BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I'M GOING TO AHEAD AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING 9:03 P.M.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THEN.

ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS? LAST CALL.

NOW I'M GOING TO AHEAD CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:04 P.M.

SORRY, COUNCIL, CAN WE CONTINUE? ANYTHING ELSE?

>> ONE MORE QUESTION. IF WE DON'T PASS IT, WHAT HAPPENS?

>> WELL, THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IS GOING TO CHARGE US AN INCREASED RATE.

WE WOULD BE PUTTING THE FISCAL CONDITION IN THE UTILITY HARDER.

>> SPEAKING ON WATER, WE ARE CAUGHT UP BECAUSE THEY RAISED OUR RATE AND WE WERE TRYING TO CATCH UP.

WE'RE EVEN. WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING US, WE'RE CHARGING OUR NEIGHBORS FOR WATER.

>> RIGHT. WE CAUGHT UP ON THE WATER SIDE.

BUT WE'VE HISTORICALLY LAGGED ON THE SEWER SIDE.

BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO HIT OUR NEIGHBORS WITH A MASSIVE SINGLE YEAR INCREASE, SO WE'VE BEEN MAKING THAT IN INCREMENTS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WHEN WILL THE INCREMENTS END?

>> NO. THE WATER AND WASTEWATER COSTS WILL CONTINUE TO RISE IN THIS REGION BECAUSE THE POPULATION IS GROWING EXTREMELY FAST, WATER IS A SCARCE RESOURCE, WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY MAKES SEWER A SCARCE RESOURCE, AND SO IT WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO LAND.

THERE'S SO MUCH LAND, THERE'S SO MUCH WATER, AND THE MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT BECOMES, UNFORTUNATELY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE CERTAINLY DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, ESPECIALLY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE, TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS FOR OUR WATER SUPPLY PROBLEM.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT QUESTION UP HERE, ALL OF US.

BY DOING THIS INCREASE, SO WE'VE BEEN LOSING MONEY, AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIX THAT OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

>> WE ARE NOT LOSING MONEY CURRENTLY.

>> THIS INCREASE IS BASICALLY PART OF THE PASS THROUGH FROM THE INCREASE IN TREATMENT.

THEIR INCREASE IS 15%.

>> OURS IS 10.

>> OURS IS 10, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME OF OUR OWN TREATMENT FACILITIES AND SOME OF THE ABILITY TO TREAT SOME OF OUR OWN SEWAGE.

>> THAT'S THE 5% DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.

>> I WOULD SAY YES.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

>> WE HAVE A SMALL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE HAVE A LARGER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

>> YES.

>> WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO GET CONTROL OF OUR OWN SITUATION.

>> THERE'S A UTILITY AUTHORITY TO THE NORTH, GTUA, AND THEY HAVE PLANS TO EXPAND TO THE SOUTH, POSSIBLY NEAR US.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAP INTO? IS THAT BEING DISCUSSED? ARE WE LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS?

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>> THE CITY OF ANNA IS A MEMBER OF THE COLLIN-GRAYSON MUNICIPAL ALLIANCE, WHICH INCLUDES ANNA, VAN ALSTYNE, MELISSA, AND HOWE.

THOSE ARE THE FOUR CITIES THAT ARE IN WHAT WE CALL THE CGMA.

THE FOUR CITIES, WE ACTUALLY CONTRACT WITH GTUA TO BRING THE WATER UP HERE TO US FROM NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.

WE ARE ACTUALLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH GTUA, AND SO ALL OF THEIR EXPANSIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON, WE ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR GENERAL MANAGER, PAUL SIEGEL, AND THEIR STAFF.

YES, WE ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING.

ALL THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION, REGARDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS FURTHER TO THE NORTH PAST HOWE ON LAKE TEXOMA AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE ARE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND ACTIVELY LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN WORK NOT JUST FOR ANNA ALONE, BUT ALSO FOR THE OTHER THREE CITIES COLLECTIVELY AS A FOUR CITY GROUP TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF OUR NEEDS MET ON UTILITIES.

>> BASICALLY, THIS 10% INCREASE NOW IS TO POTENTIALLY PREVENT HAVING A 15 OR 20% INCREASE IN ANY YEAR IN THE FUTURE.

IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT?

>> YES.

>> HOW DID YOU AVERAGE 5,000 GALLONS PER HOUSEHOLD?

>> THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE MEASURES THAT A LOT OF FOLKS USE.

THE FIRST 2,000 GALLONS IS FREE.

>> YOU'RE BASICALLY CHARGING 3,000?

>> YES.

>> THAT WAS BASED ON DATE OF THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FOR A WHILE.

>> AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON IF YOU HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WATER YOUR LAWN A LOT, IF YOU USE A LOT OF ZERO SCAPING.

IT'S VERY HARD TO DEFINE AN AVERAGE.

BUT FOR MOST MEASURES, 5,000 GALLONS IS USED AS AN AVERAGE.

>> WHEN WILL OUR NEIGHBORS SEE THIS DIFFERENCE ON THEIR BILL? WHAT MONTH? DID YOU ALREADY ANSWER THAT?

>> NO, I DIDN'T, BUT IT WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER.

OR THE FIRST BILL WILL BE RECEIVED IN OCTOBER.

>> OKAY.

>> THE RIGHT WOULD GOING INTO EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST.

>> JUST FUTURE THINKING, WOULD HAVING OUR OWN LAKES AND TAPPING INTO OWN AQUIFERS MORE, ARE THEY FEASIBLE OPTIONS TO COMBAT THE INCREASES THAT WE KEEP FACING, OR IS IT JUST KICKING?

>> WE'RE WANDERING ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND STICK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM RIGHT NOW, PLEASE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT LATER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> I SEE THIS UNNECESSARY EVIL, I GUESS, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE NO OTHER DISCUSSION.

>> SECOND.

>> WAS THAT YOU WHO SECONDED? WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN BAKER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARVER.

YOU WOULD PLEASE GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTE.

CAN WE GET THAT MUSIC FROM THE TRIVIA SHOW, WHAT'S THAT CALLED? THAT MOTION PASSES 7-0.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 8, CLOSED SESSION.

AT THIS TIME, I SEE NO REASON FOR US TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

SEEING NO OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.