>> WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
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THE CITY OF ANNA WILL MEET ON APRIL 25TH, 2023, 6:00 PM AT THE ANIMAL MUNICIPAL COMPLEX COUNCIL CHAMBERS LOCATED 120 WEST SEVENTH STREET.CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ONCE AGAIN, WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON AN OPEN SESSION AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT THE OPINION SPEAKER REGISTRATION FORM, AND TURN IT INTO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT, AND COUNCILMAN CARVER IS GOING TO GIVE THE INDICATION THIS EVENING.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
JOIN ME IN A POSTURE OF PRAYER, PLEASE.
FATHER I COME TO YOU AND AGAIN, JUST GRATEFUL TO BE IN THIS WONDERFUL CITY KNOWN AS ANNA TEXAS.
I PRAY THAT THIS EVENING THAT YOUR WORK AND WILL BE DONE.
I PRAY THAT FOR THE ISSUES THAT ARE CONTENTIOUS, THAT YOU HELP US REACH A SAFE AND AGREEABLE SOLUTION.
ALL OF THESE THINGS, THEY SEEM TRIVIAL AND JUST BUSINESS IN NATURE, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME.
I PRAY THAT EVEN THE LITTLEST ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US WISDOM THAT AFFECTS MANY GENERATIONS TO COME.
I ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS AND PROTECT OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREMEN, AND MEDICS AS THEY GO ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE CITY, AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS ELECTION SEASON, AND I PRAY THAT A SPIRIT OF PEACE AND KINDNESS AND LIBERTY BE UPON EVERYONE AS WE EXERCISE OUR RIGHT TO VOTE, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT NATION WE LIVE.
>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[3. Neighbor Comments.]
>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 3, WHICH IS NEIGHBORS COMMENTS.
THIS TIME ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THIS MEETING AGENDA THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THESE ARE NONPUBLIC HERE IN SPEAKING ITEMS, AND WE DO ALLOW NEIGHBORS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN'T RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS DURING THE NEIGHBORS COMMENTS PERIOD.
I DO HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR'S COMMENTS THIS EVENING FROM MR. JUSTIN AND ESTA.
>> JUSTIN COME UP FROM THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU.
>> BUT THE COMMUNITY GAINS RATE WITH THE POLICE BARB HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
WITH THE EVENTS AND EVERYTHING COMING UP, I'D LIKE TO DEFINITELY POINT OUT MR. OFFICER BIANCO, THE ENGAGEMENT AND BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY, THE YOUTH, ESPECIALLY.
IT'S DEFINITELY HUMANIZING EVERYTHING AND DEFINITELY A CALL FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
SO BASICALLY WHY WE'RE HERE IS TO SAY THAT I'M SORRY FOR THAT, WE NEED SOMETHING GOING FORWARD TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE YOUTH AND THE POLICE OFFICERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ROLES OR WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SHOWING AN IMPACT THAT ALL THE EVENTS, AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL THE KIDS AND STUFF AND THE EXPLORER AS WELL. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS COMMENTS? WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON ITEM 4,
[4. Reports.]
RECEIVE REPORTS FROM STAFF OR THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.THIS EVENING WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF OUR ANIME POLICE EXPLORER POST NUMBER 8200.
I BELIEVE LIEUTENANT DIVOR, AND CHIEF HAVEN.
>> COUNSEL, I WANTED TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE LIEUTENANT DIVOR, AND SPEAK ON HIM JUST FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I KNOW HIM AND I KNOW HE WON'T SAY A WORD ABOUT HIMSELF.
HE'LL SPEAK THEM OUT EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT HE'LL LEAVE HIMSELF OUT.
HE'S BEEN OVER THE EXPLORER PROGRAM.
HE WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE EXPLORER PROGRAM IN 2017.
AFTER COMING OVER FROM DALLAS PD, HE WAS AN ADVISOR WITH DALLAS PD FOR THE EXPLORER POST THERE.
EVER SINCE HE'S GOTTEN HERE, HE'S PUTTING HIS HEART AND SOUL INTO THE POST AND MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WENT ON RECORD WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNEW HE'D LEAVE THAT PART OUT.
>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, STAFF, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.
THANKS FOR INVITING US HERE TO RECOGNIZE EXPLORERS.
I GUESS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
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NORMALLY, THE EXPLORERS NEED ONCE A WEEK, YOUTH 14-21 YEARS OLD, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN POLICE, THE POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.THEY STUDY WITH US, THEY WORK WITH US, THEY RIDE OUT WITH US, AND THEY LEARN A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WE DO ANYWHERE FROM A TRAFFIC STOP TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE AN ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENT.
WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, BACK ON MARCH 25TH, '23, WE TRAVELED TO HOUSTON FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH TWO TEAMS. THROUGH TEAMS IS A TOTAL OF FOUR EXPLORERS.
SO WE HAD, WE HAD A TOTAL EXPLORERS.
WE WENT TO HOUSTON FOR THEIR THIRD ANNUAL SPACE CITY COMPETITION, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT ALL THE HARD WORK AND TRAINING PAID OFF.
WITH TWO TEAMS, WE PARTICIPATE IN EIGHT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
BOTH SCENARIOS WERE ACTIVE SHOOTER, BURGLARY AND PROGRESS, TRAFFIC ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION, BOMB THREAT, FELONY TRAFFIC STOP, DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE, MENTALLY UNSTABLE PERSON, AND INTOXICATED DRIVER.
OUT OF THOSE EIGHT SCENARIOS, BOTH TEAMS WHO ARE FAIRLY NEW AND ONLY BEEN TO ONE OF THEIR COMPETITION, PLACED IN SIX OF THE SIX WEEKS SCENARIOS.
THEY GOT FIRST AND BURGLARY AND PROGRESS SECOND AND ACTIVE SHOOTER, SECOND IN BOMB THREAT, SECOND INTOXICATED DRIVER, SECOND IN MENTALLY DISABLED PERSON, AND THIRD IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
THE THIRD DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS ACTUALLY A THREE-WAY TIE FOR FIRST, AND HE JUST CAME DOWN TO THE TIME IT TOOK THEM TO HANDLE THE SCENARIO.
THE SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL, THAT IS, WE COMPETE AGAINST 22, 23 OTHER TEAMS. MOST OF THESE TEAMS I ACTUALLY EXPLORERS ARE PART OF THEIR SCHOOL, KIND OF LIKE A LAW ENFORCEMENT CLASS.
THESE YOUNG LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TRAIN ONCE A WEEK, MAYBE TWICE A WEEK, COMING UP COMPETITION, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL THIS OFF.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE TROPHIES THAT THEY WON, SERGEANT ZUO KARL, YOU WILL MEET HERE IN JUST A SECOND ALSO COMPETED IN THE FEMALE PHYSICAL AGILITY COMPETITION, AND CAME OUT SECOND OVERALL OUT OF ALL THE FEMALES THAT COMPETED IN THE COMPETITION.
SO WE WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SHE'S UPSET WITH ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T TELL HER THAT SHE COULD ACTUALLY WEAR ATHLETIC GEAR.
SO SHE DID THIS IN FULL UNIFORM.
ALL THE OTHER ONES DID IT IN ATHLETIC GEAR AND TENNIS SHOES.
SHE DIDN'T FULL UNIFORM BOOTS ON.
NOW, I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO CONGRATULATE THEM AND TO GIVE A BIG THANKS TO THE EXPLORERS.
LIEUTENANT EMMA DENISON, SERGEANTS WILL CARL, CORPORAL DYLAN SHARKEY, AND THEN EXPLORERS COLLIN ROBINSON, EXPLORER JACKSON BURR, WHICH HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY, EXPLORER COLBY SMITH, EXPLORER MATHEW JONES, IF WE'RE ANYTHING LEAVE HER SO THESE ARE YOUR TWO TEAMS. ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO THANK THREE OF OUR NEW MEMBERS, EXPLORER CARSON BROWN, EXPLORER TAYLOR ADAMS, AND EXPLORER NICK FRESNER.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM, THEY WERE A LOT OF OUR BAD GUY ACTORS.
SO THEY GOT THROWN TO THE GROUND LOT AND HANDCUFFS A LOT.
IN ADDITION TO EXPLORERS IS I WANT TO TAKE A SPECIAL THANKS.
I CAN'T DO THIS ALONE, IT TAKES A LOT.
SO I ALSO HAVE A BUNCH OF ADVISORS I WANT TO RECOGNIZE.
KRISTEN DIVOR, PAMELA WEST, MILLIE RITA, OFFICER JACOB WILLIAMS, OFFICER ANTHONY BIANCO, AND FIREFIGHTER ROBERT ESPINOSA.
THEY ARE POST ADVISORS AS WELL, AND THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THIS.
A BIG SIGNIFICANT IS THIS IS ARTHUR WILLIAMS AND OUR PROPERTY EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN, PAMELA WEST, ACTUALLY USED TO BE OUR FORMER EXPLORERS AND THEY'RE NOW WORKING FOR THE CITY.
I ALSO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL AUTHOR THAT'S ON SHIFT RIGHT NOW.
THAT IS ALSO ONE OVER EXPLORERS.
SO I HOPE TO HAVE A LOT MORE COMING FROM THIS GROUP.
SO I WANT TO THANK CHIEF ABLE, AND ASSISTANT CHIEF FOX OFF WITH A CONTINUED SUPPORT AS WELL THEY ARE POLICE FORCE.
>> CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] I'M SORRY, I FORGOT. OFFICER DAVIS IS WITH US NOW.
HE IS ONE OF OUR ADVISORS NOW AS WELL.
>> AWESOME. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL.
I KNOW WE'VE ALL WATCHED THIS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THE PROGRAM YOU'RE DEVELOPING, ALONG WITH YOUR ADVISORS AND THE EXPLORERS, IT'S TRULY INCREDIBLE WHAT YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING.
I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU, WE CONGRATULATE YOU, AND LET ME KNOW WHEN THE STATE COMPETITION COMES UP AGAIN.
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THANK YOU.[APPLAUSE] COUNCIL, ANY OTHER ITEMS UNDER REPORTS THIS EVENING? [BACKGROUND] WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 5,
[5. Work Session.]
WHICH IS THE WORK SESSION.DISCUSS PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS.
>> BEFORE MS. DOBY STARTS, I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE THIS.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS WORK SESSION IS WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL AND WE WOULD COME BACK WITH AN AGENDA ITEM APPROVING THE EXEMPTIONS AS DISCUSSED.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
I'M TERRY DOBY, YOUR CITY OF ANNA BUDGET MANAGER, AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE HERE IN THE CITY OF ANNA OVER THE LAST, WELL, THIS CHART SHOWS 10 YEARS.
BETWEEN FY2022 AND FY2013, THE GROWTH IN APPRAISED VALUE WAS 37.5% IN JUST THAT ONE YEAR.
THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS SENT OUT PROPERTY VALUE NOTICES AND OUR NEIGHBORS ARE STARTING TO RECEIVE THEM.
THE CURRENT PROJECTION IS OUR APPRAISED VALUE WILL INCREASE IN 2024 BY AS MUCH AS 20% AGAIN.
ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION, ALL PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE STATE IS TAXABLE UNLESS SPECIFICALLY AN EXEMPTION IS REQUIRED OR PERMITTED.
TEXAS PROVIDES FOR A VARIETY OF EXEMPTIONS FROM PROPERTY TAX.
THERE ARE STATEWIDE EXEMPTIONS THAT INCLUDE PROPERTY DAMAGE BY A DISASTER, DISABLED VETERANS SURVIVING SPOUSES, SURVIVING SPOUSE OF A FIRST RESPONDER, CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS ALL RECEIVE AN AUTOMATIC EXEMPTION.
ANY TAXING UNIT HAS THE OPTION OF DECIDING LOCALLY TO OFFER CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CALLED LOCAL OPTION EXEMPTIONS.
WE CAN OFFER A VARIETY OF THOSE, AND THEY ARE A WAY FOR YOU TO HELP LOWER THE TAX BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENTS.
MOST COMMON SINGLE OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM: THERE'S A GENERAL RESIDENT HOMESTEAD, AN AGE 65 OR OLDER, AND A DISABLED.
FOR RESIDENT HOMESTEADS, CITIES HAVE THE OPTION OF EXEMPTING FROM CITY TAX ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1% AND 20% OF THE VALUE OF THE RESIDENCE.
HOWEVER, THE EXEMPTION MUST BE $5,000 OR GREATER IN DOLLAR AMOUNT.
IN OTHER WORDS, ON OUR 1% EXEMPTION, THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE VALUED AT MORE THAN $500,000 BEFORE THEY BREAK THAT MINIMUM.
CITIES CAN ALSO OFFER AN OVER 65 OR OLDER EXEMPTION AND THEY CAN OFFER A DISABLED EXEMPTION.
NOW, THOSE TWO, YOU CAN ONLY QUALIFY FOR ONE OR THE OTHER.
YOU EITHER GET AN AGED 65 OR OLDER OR YOU GET THE DISABLED PERSONS.
THIS IS WHAT OUR CURRENT TAX STRUCTURE IS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A 1% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AN EXEMPTION OF 30,000 FOR OVER AGE 65, AND NO EXEMPTION FOR DISABLED PERSON.
THIS IS WHAT THE IMPACT OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS WERE LAST YEAR.
OUR RESIDENT HOMESTEADS, ON AVERAGE, IT SAVED THEM ABOUT $27, OUR OVER 65 HOMEOWNERS SAVED ALMOST $162,000 ON THEIR CITY TAX BILL, AND THE TOTAL DECREASE IN REVENUE TO THE CITY WAS AROUND 220,000.
THIS CHART DEMONSTRATES THE CHANGE OF ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE TO THE EXEMPTION STRUCTURE.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE SCENARIOS THAT I COULD ANALYZE AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE IMPACT TO OUR REVENUE LEVEL, OR YOU CAN DECIDE TO MAKE NO CHANGES THIS COMING YEAR.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE A LOCAL OPTION.
THIS IS TOTALLY YOUR DECISION.
IF IT IS YOUR DIRECTION THAT WE MAKE CHANGES TO OUR LOCAL OPTION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS, I WOULD BRING FORWARD AN ORDINANCE AT A FUTURE MEETING FOR YOU TO ADOPT.
THERE IS A DEADLINE IN THE PROPERTY TAX CODE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION BY JULY 1ST.
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THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.>> THANK YOU, TERRY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A PERCENTAGE INCREASE TO EACH OF THOSE.
MAYBE TAKING A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FIRST BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISION OF WHAT THE TRUE IMPACT [OVERLAPPING] LOOKS LIKE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO BELIEVE I HEAR QUITE A BIT IS 65 AND OLDER FREES MY TAXES.
WHILE I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO IS LAY OFF A BUNCH OF STAFF AND LOSE OUT ON THINGS WE MUST HAVE AS NECESSITIES.
SO BEFORE I CAN GIVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE, I REALLY WOULD WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT IMPACT NUMBER IS.
>> PEOPLE OFTEN GET CONFUSED BECAUSE THE STRUCTURES ARE SO DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
IT'S DIFFERENT FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE SCHOOL DISTRICT OVER 65 TAXES, THERE IS A FREEZE.
NOW, THIS WOULD BE AN EXEMPTION.
NOW THE EXEMPTION IS PREFERABLE BECAUSE YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF IT.
ONCE YOU ADOPT THE FREEZE, IT IS NOW OUT OF YOUR HANDS.
[OVERLAPPING] ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION, YOU CANNOT EVER RESCIND IT. THAT'S RIGHT.
IT IS A FREEZE ON THE BILL THAT YEAR, AND SO THEIR PROPERTY TAXES NEVER GO UP EVEN IF SERVICES GROW, ET CETERA.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD REMIND YOU IS, ON THE RESIDENT HOMESTEAD, MOVING FROM 1% TO 2% TO 3, IT TAKES A LONG TIME BEFORE WE BREAK THAT $5,000 MINIMUM FOR MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS.
>> IS THERE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL OR QUESTIONS?
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS UP LAST YEAR, THE POINT ALWAYS TO ME ABOUT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION WAS TO LIFT THAT UP TO TRY TO GIVE SOME INCENTIVE AT SOME LEVEL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE HOUSE.
WE'VE GOT PROBABLY 30% OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OF RENTAL PROPERTIES.
I THINK IF YOU'RE MAKING MONEY OFF OF A PROPERTY, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN USING IT AS YOUR PRIMARY [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE RESONANT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION UNLESS IT IS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
>> THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WOULD THINK I'M THE MOST SUPPORTIVE OF.
HONESTLY, NOBODY MAY LIKE THIS, BUT IF THE SEVEN OF US UP HERE ARE IN A COMMUNITY AND WE DECIDE TO GIVE KEVIN AN EXEMPTION, THE OTHER SIX OF US EITHER HAVE TO PICK UP HIS SHARE OR WE HAVE TO DO WITHOUT SERVICE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT SERVICE WE'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE.
WE CAN'T BURY IT IN A LINE ITEM.
I GET IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE THE TAXES GO DOWN ON PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE HOMES VERSUS RENTAL PROPERTIES.
>> I WILL ALSO SAY THAT UNDER SENATE BILL 2 OR THE PROPERTY TAX TRANSPARENCY AND REFORM ACT OF 2019.
BECAUSE IT'S DRIVEN BY A REVENUE CAP, IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF THE TAX RATE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE COUNCIL.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS A RESIDENT COULD EASILY TELL YOU, BUT MY APPRAISED VALUE WENT UP, YOUR TAX RATE WENT DOWN, AND MY BILL IS STILL THE SAME.
WHEREAS WHEN YOU DO AN EXEMPTION, YOU ARE ACTUALLY GIVING THEM RELIEF THAT THEY WILL SEE.
>> YES. THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
REGARDING THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE DISABLED, HOW DID WE ACHIEVE THAT NUMBER? THE 283 PROPERTIES.
>> THAT WOULD BE BRINGING IT TO THE SAME LEVEL OF THE OVER 65 RESIDENT EXEMPTION.
I KNOW WHAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES.
I CAN GET ALL THE DATA OF WHO'S ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT.
JUST BECAUSE THE CITY OF ANNA DOESN'T OFFER, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR ANOTHER ENTITY DOESN'T OFFER IT.
>> UNDERSTOOD. I KNOW AT ONE TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING HOW TO ACQUIRE THAT INFORMATION.
>> I HAVE A VERY LARGE DATABASE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A QUESTION FOR ME.
AS FAR AS OUR VETERANS GO, IS THAT RECOGNIZED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY TRICKLES DOWN TO THE CITY LEVEL?
>> YES. THAT'S NOT A LOCAL OPTION.
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WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT EXEMPTION.>> UNDERSTOOD. WELL, THEN I'LL WRAP UP BY SAYING I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS. THE DATA'S GOOD.
IT'S NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN LAST YEAR AS FAR AS INCREASING THAT SUM, SO THAT'S STRAINING.
AS FAR AS COUNCILORS, WE HAVE VARIOUS OTHER BUCKET SNAIL THAT DIDN'T EXIST TWO YEARS AGO.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION WHERE WE COULD RELIEVE OUR CITIZENS. THANKS.
>> WHEN YOU DO BRING THIS BACK, CAN YOU PUT OUT THE 20% INCREASE AND SHOW HOW THAT IMPACTS AGAINST THAT NUMBER VERSUS WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE?
>> I THINK, WHEN YOU TRY TO FIND OUT STAN, WHERE DID THE 283 NUMBER COME FROM? WHERE DID THAT INFORMATION DERIVED FROM?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. I WAS CURIOUS IF IT WAS UP AT A COUNTY LEVEL OR SOME OTHER SOURCE.
[6. Consent Items.]
>> THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CONSENT ITEMS. THESE ITEMS CONSIST OF NON-CONTROVERSIAL OR HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS REQUIRED BY LAW.
COUNSELING AND CONSENT ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE PULLED TO THIS TABLE.
NOW DO I HAVE EMOTIONAL CONSENT?
>> MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6A THROUGH D.
>> COUNCILMAN TATUM WITH THE MOTION.
>> SECOND. NOW COUNCILMAN AUSBRY, IF YOU'LL VOTE ON YOUR SCREEN.
>> WE'LL CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT.
>> KEVIN, IS THERE A WAY TO SEE THAT ON THESE SCREENS UP HERE?
>> MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
[7. Items For Individual Consideration.]
ITEM 7 MOVING ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION A.CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER, DISCUSS ACTION ON AN AMENDMENT TO UPHOLD MAN SUPPLEMENT, CHANGE, MODIFY, OR APPEAL, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT GRANTED UNDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 1014-2022 TO ALLOW A METERING STATION ON ONE LOT ON 0.6 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FUTURE ROSAMOND PARKWAY, 990 PLUS OR MINUS FEET, WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 368.
BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. ALTOBELLI, ANY COMMENTS?
>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR ROSS.
ULTIMATELY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS OUTLINED HERE IN BLUE.
SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A GAS METERING STATION.
THE FACTORS IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION, IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS APPROVED INITIALLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
THE FACTORS BEHIND THE LOCATION WERE THE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO FUTURE ROSAMOND, AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING GAS LINE IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THE APPLICANT HAD WITH THE NEW RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER.
HERE'S THE APPROVED SITE PLAN THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH GAS METERING STATION.
THE STATION ITSELF IS LOCATED [NOISE] ROUGHLY 75 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
ADDITIONALLY, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS AS RELATED TO THE PROXIMITY TO ROSAMOND.
THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS LOCATED OVER 45 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT OF FUTURE ROSAMOND.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED FACILITY WOULD BE ENCLOSED BY AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL THAT WOULD GO AROUND THE FACILITY ITSELF.
HERE, WE PUT TOGETHER A QUICK DIAGRAM JUST SHOWING THE LOCATION AND HOW THE SETBACKS WORK FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT AS WELL AS YOU HAVE A 15 FOOT WIDE PARKWAY, THEN YOU HAVE THE SETBACK AND THEN OF COURSE YOU'D HAVE FOUR FEET FOR THE SCREENING WALL.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME INFORMATION GOING AROUND AS IT RELATES TO THE DISTANCE FROM THE STATION TO THE PROPOSED FUTURE SCHOOL.
THE DISTANCE IS ROUGHLY OVER 3,700 SQUARE FEET.
WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT DETAIL FOR YOU ALL.
AT THE MONDAY, APRIL 3RD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL REPEAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 1014-2020.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
I KNOW THAT ALSO THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT I'M GOING TO OPEN AT 06:27 P.M. WE HAVE OPINION SPEAKER REGISTRATION FORMS THAT ARE FILLED OUT ON THIS ITEM.
THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS GOING TO INDIVIDUALLY CALL EACH PERSON WHO
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HAS FILLED OUT A YELLOW SPEAKER OPINION FORUM.WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TIME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING AND WE HAVE DECISIONS TO MAKE THIS EVENING.
BUT I DO WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW YOU WILL ALL GET TO SPEAK, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT.
ONCE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AFTER EVERYBODY HAS HAD THEIR CHANCE TO SHARE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S NO MORE COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
THAT BECOMES A DISCUSSION AMONG THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.
WE WILL GET STARTED WITH PUBLIC HEARING.
MAYOR PRO TEM, IF YOU WANT TO START WITH THE NAMES.
>> HI, CITY COUNCIL. KYLIE KELLY.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW MORE WORDS.
I LIVE IN URBAN CROSSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT BACKS UP TO WHERE THIS METERING STATION WOULD GO.
I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE METERING STATION AFTER ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CHEMICALS THAT ARE IN THESE METERING STATIONS.
WE WEREN'T TOLD THAT IN THE VERY BEGINNING.
WE WERE TOLD IT WAS JUST STRICTLY A METERING STATION AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THESE CHEMICALS WERE THERE AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DO SOME RESEARCH AND THEY'LL PRESENT IT TO YOU TONIGHT LIKE THEY DID THE OTHER NIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE VERY OPPOSED AGAINST IT AND I HOPE YOU GUYS MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU KELLY. JEFF BECKHAM.
>> JEFF BECKHAM, I'M 3103 CROSSING AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPOSE THE MERCAPTAN INJECTION STATION IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THERE IS NEED FOR SUCH FACILITY, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT PLACING IT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS POSES A SERIOUS RISK TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
A COMMON STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN USED TO TRY TO DEFLECT THE RISK IS THAT MERCAPTAN IS IN PROPANE.
A 150-GALLON CANISTER OF MERCAPTAN CAN AUTHORIZE OVER 10 MILLION GALLONS OF PROPANE.
THIS CANNOT EVEN BE COMPARED TO THE SCANT AMOUNT OF MERCAPTANS AND A 4.5 GALLON, THAT'S YOUR GRILL SIZE PROPANE TANK, TO COMPARE THE MERCAPTAN AND PROPANE TO WHAT WILL BE LOCATED AT THIS INJECTION FACILITY IS DECEITFUL.
WITH THE AMOUNT STORED ANY ACCIDENTAL RELEASE OF MERCAPTAN FROM THE INJECTION STATION COULD HAVE CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES FOR THE NEARBY RESONANCE AND CITY.
OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INCIDENTS AND MERCAPTANS LEAKS AND ACCIDENTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
ACCORDING TO THE PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS MATERIAL SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, IN 2019 ALONE, THERE WERE 82 INCIDENTS INVOLVING NATURAL GAS TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS, WHICH INCLUDED MERCAPTANS LEAKS.
THESE INCIDENTS CAUSED 18 FATALITIES, 79 INJURIES, AND OVER $42 MILLION OF PROPERTY DAMAGE.
FURTHERMORE, A STUDY PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN 2021 CONCLUDED THAT THE HEALTH RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH MERCAPTAN EXPOSURE ARE SIGNIFICANT AND SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED.
GIVEN THE POTENTIAL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH MERCAPTANS, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE PRIORITIZE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY WHEN MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THE LOCATION AND THE INJECTION STATION.
PLACING THE STATION NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE'VE PUT OUR COMMUNITY AT RISK AND WE MUST MAKE THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE THAT RISK.
IN CONCLUSION, I URGE CITY COUNCIL TO REJECT THE PROPOSAL TO PLAY SOME MERCAPTAN INJECTION STATION ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
INSTEAD, I SUGGESTED THAT THE STATION BE LOCATED IN A MORE ISOLATED AREA AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
OUR FAMILIES AND HOMES ARE TOO PRECIOUS TO PUT AT RISK.
PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE CONVENIENCE OR COST-EFFECTIVE WANTS IT WOULD ACCOMPANY WITH A $17 BILLION MARKET CAP OVER THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF ANNA. THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 3037 CROSSING DRIVE IN URBAN CROSSING.
I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THE CHEMICAL INJECTION STATIONS THAT IS BEING PLACED PLUS OR MINUS 20 FEET BEHIND MY BACKYARD, MY PROPERTY.
OVER THE WEEKEND, I WAS OUTSIDE PLAYING BASEBALL WITH MY KIDS AND I WAS
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JUST IN OFF HOW NICE AND PEACEFUL IT WAS AND HOW NICE IT WAS, AND IF I HAVE THIS CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY EFFECTS IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON MY KIDS.WE DON'T NEED THIS IN OUR BACKYARD.
AND MOST WON'T WANT IT IN THE BACKYARD AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT YOUR BACKYARD EITHER.
PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU.
>> HI. MY NAME IS KELLY TEICHMAN I LIVE AT 3037 CROSSING DR. INDIANA, TEXAS, VERSUS I JUST WANT TO THANK THOSE OF YOU WHO VOTED IN OPPOSITION FOR THE ATMOS STRUCTURE AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I HOPE AND PRAY THAT YOUR POST AGAINST AGAIN TONIGHT.
I'M AN OPPOSITION TO THE CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION BEING PLACED 20 FT BEHIND MY LOT.
MY FIRST CONCERN IS THE HEALTH IMPACT.
MERCAPTANS IS A FOUL-SMELLING GAS THAT IS ADDED TO NATURAL GAS TO DETECT A LEAK AS THEY'RE REGISTERED RN, READING THE HEALTH IMPACTS OF MERCAPTANS IS VERY UPSETTING.
LOW LEVELS OF MERCAPTAN CAN CAUSE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM COMPLICATIONS INCLUDING HEADACHES, WEAKNESS, DIZZINESS, SEIZURES, AND MEMORY LOSS.
RESPIRATORY IRRITATION, WHICH INCLUDES PULMONARY EDEMA, PNEUMONIA, AND RESPIRATORY PARALYSIS.
FOR THIS, CDC, GAS IS RAPIDLY ABSORBED IN THE LUNGS.
INDIVIDUALS WITH PRE-EXISTING MEDICAL CONDITIONS ARE MUCH MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO EXPOSURE OF MERCAPTAN.
CHILDREN ARE MORE VULNERABLE TO GAS EXPOSURE DUE TO THEIR HIGHER RESPIRATORY RATES, MERCAPTAN IS DENSE AND CONCENTRATED LOWER TO THE GROUND, LEADING TO GREATER EXPOSURE TO CHILDREN.
MY LOAD IS ON A DOWNWARD SLOPE, SO MY CHILDREN PLAY TOWARDS THE BACK OF MY LOT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE 20 FEET WHERE THIS CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION WOULD BE PLACED.
ARTICLE I READ THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN 2016 A NATURAL GAS LEAK OCCURRED AND ALYSSA CANYON IN CALIFORNIA AFFECTED RESIDENTS OF PORTER RANCH COMMUNITY, WHICH IS THREE-FOURTHS A MILE AWAY, WHO EXPERIENCE HEADACHES, WHEEZING, SINUS PROBLEMS, SKIN IRRITATION AND NAUSEA DUE TO EXPOSURE MORE OF MERCAPTANS.
FURTHERMORE, AN ARTICLE POSTED BY HARRELL IN NORFOLK ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD ATTORNEYS, AND THEY QUOTED, '' FEW PEOPLE REALIZE JUST HOW DANGEROUS BEING LOCATED TO A NATURAL GAS STORAGE FACILITY COULD BE UNTIL THE MERCAPTAN LEAK THAT OCCURRED IN CALIFORNIA.'' WITHIN A WEEK, THOSE WHO LIVE CLOSE BY REPORTS SEVERAL HEALTH ISSUES INCLUDING RASHES, HIVES, NAUSEA AND VOMITING, COUGHING UP BLOOD, HEADACHES, AND NOSE BLEEDS.
MERCAPTAN IS HIGHLY FLAMMABLE.
I WILL DRESS TO ARTICLES THAT CONFIRM MY CONCERNS.
ARTICLE NUMBER 1, IN MANSFIELD, TEXAS, MARCH 23RD, 2022, A VEHICLE SLAMMED INTO A NATURAL GAS PIPELINE AND CAUSE A MASSIVE EXPLOSION.
ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN A MILE RADIUS WERE EVACUATED.
ROSA MOM BILLBOARD IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR RIGHT NEXT TO THIS CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION.
THE SECOND ARTICLE IS FARMERS WILL TEXAS, JUNE 28, 2021 AND NATURAL GAS EXPLOSION OCCURRED DURING ROUTINE MAINTENANCE PERFORMED BY ATMOS.
TWO TECHNICIANS WERE KILLED AND TWO OTHERS WERE INJURED.
CAUSE WAS DUE TO ATMOS TECHNICIANS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF PROCEDURES AND TRAINING PRACTICES THAT DID NOT PREPARE WORKERS TO RECOGNIZE AND SAFELY RESPOND TO ABNORMAL OPERATING CONDITIONS.
I'VE LIVED IN URBAN CROSSING FOR SIX YEARS.
I KNEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME BEHIND OUR HOME, BUT NEVER THOUGHT SOMETHING THAT WOULD IMPACT MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS HEALTH AND SAFETY WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
PLEASE VOTE AGAINST PUTTING THIS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOME.
IDEALLY, THIS STRUCTURE SHOULD BE PLACED IN AN OPEN AREA WHERE OUR RESIDENCE, WILL BE KEPT SAFE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. RICHARD ESPINOSA.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, I LOVE ANNA.
IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, AND I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THESE MEETINGS NOW, AND THE ONE THING THAT KICK THAT I REALLY ENJOY IS THAT SCREENSHOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AND YOU'LL SEE A BEAUTIFUL PARK AND THAT'S WHERE I LIVE.
THAT'S ANNA. I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE THREE YEARS AND WE LIVED ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT I REALLY LIKE IT HERE. I LIKE MY NEIGHBORS.
I'M AT 3106, CROSSING JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ATTACHMENTS, AND I'M PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO SPIT OUT ALL FACTS AND FIGURES AND YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY MUCH-HEARD EVERYTHING.
BUT TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO VOTED AGAINST IT, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I COULD THINK OF A LOT BETTER THINGS TO PUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, REINFORCED CONCRETE AND BARRIERS TO PROTECT, YES, IT IS A BOMB FROM GOING OFF TO PROTECT FROM VEHICLES POTENTIALLY HITTING IT.
IT'S DANGEROUS. SO I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GO INTO THAT ANY FURTHER.
BUT WHAT WE WITNESSED HERE WITH THE POLICE CADETS,
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AND I'VE SEEN SOME OTHER EVENTS HERE WITH CHILDREN AND EVEN DEDICATED A STREET TOO BUDDY HAZE.I'D HAVE TO ASK YOU, WHAT WOULD BUDDY HAZE DO? THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TED HOYT.
I LIVE WITH MY WIFE KIM AT 3003 CROSSING DRIVE, AND I'M JUST SUPPORTING MY NEIGHBORS TONIGHT.
NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT FACTS AND FIGURES, BUT I JUST STRONGLY OPPOSE THE UTMOST BUILDING OF THIS PROPOSED CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION AND ASK THAT YOU STAND WITH COMMUNITY AND VOTE AGAINST THE INSTALLATION OF THIS HARMFUL STATION. THANK YOU.
>> 3119 CROSSING DRIVE MY CAR TREE.
EACH TIME, WE GET ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, WE ALL SAY THAT WE AGREE THAT SAFETY IS A PRIORITY.
BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS THE I DON'T KNOW THE FOURTH, THE FIFTH, THE SIXTH TIME THAT WE'VE HAD THIS SAME DISCUSSION.
OUR INFORMATION AND OUR FACTS, THEY SPEAK FOR THE NUMBERS.
SO OBVIOUSLY, SAFETY IS NOT THE PRIORITY.
I GOT TO THINKING MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, MAYBE IT'S THE MONEY.
I'M GOING TO TAKE MY TIME AND TALK ABOUT THE MONEY.
TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE, LET'S ASSUME IT'S GOING TO TAKE $1 MILLION TO RELOCATE THIS PROJECT TO A SAFER LOCATION.
THAT'S AN OVERSTATEMENT AQUATIC COSTS, BUT THEY'LL KEEP IT SIMPLE THAT'LL HELP MAKE MY POINT.
ATMOS, THE CORPORATION IN THE YEAR 2022, REPORTED NET INCOME OF 774 MILLION.
SO YOU APPLY THE 1 MILLION AGAINST THEIR NET INCOME, THAT COMES OUT TO BE 0.0013, 13/100TH OF 1% NOT MUCH IMPACT.
TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR PROJECTED CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR 2023.
THEY PLAN TO SPEND 2.7 MILLION.
YOU APPLY THE 1 MILLION AGAINST THAT, YOU COME UP WITH 0.0004, 4/100TH OF 1%.
WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE CUSTOMER? THEY HAVE OVER 3 MILLION CUSTOMERS, SO YOU APPLY MILLION AGAINST 3 MILLION AS $0.33.
YOU SPREAD THAT OVER A YEAR, YOU COME UP WITH LESS THAN $0.03 PER MONTH PER CUSTOMER.
FOR THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST GAS ONLY DISTRIBUTION CORPORATION, MONEY IS NOT THE ISSUE, SO IF IT'S NOT MONEY AND WE KNOW THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS TO A SAFER LOCATION, WHY DON'T WE DO IT?
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M TOM LONG MEYER.
I LIVE AT 3032 CROSSING DRIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS WOULD BE.
I'VE GOTTEN A BUNCH OF FACTS AND FIGURES I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, I WAS AN EXECUTIVE WITH ONE OF THE BIG OIL PRODUCING COMPANIES AND WORK WITH THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL THESE DETAILS AGAIN, WE'VE TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE LISTENED TO US AND BROUGHT THIS BACK FOR A VOTE.
YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LIST, AND AGAIN, TWO WEEKS AGO OR A WEEK AGO, I GUESS, AND AGAIN VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO REPEAL THE APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT.
WE CONTINUOUSLY CALL THIS A CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION, WHEREAS ATMOS CALLED IT A METERING STATION.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHEMICALS.
I THINK THEY TOLD YOU AT ONE POINT THAT IF THAT'S LINE DIDN'T GO IN, THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY JUST TO THE NORTH SOUTH OF IT.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE PROVIDING SERVICES, ARE READY TO FACE ONE OF THAT SUBDIVISION.
SO WHY NOT BRING ANY OF THE GAS THAT THEY NEED FROM THE SOUTHERN DIRECTION? I URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR FOLKS AND REPEAL THE APPROVAL OF THE PERMIT FOR THIS CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION. THANK YOU.
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MY NAME IS SYDNEY BECKHAM AND MY FAMILY HAS LAND AT 3103 CROSSING DRIVE.
I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND AT PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT ATMOS GAS IS PROPOSING A MEETING STATION WITH AN INJECTION PLANT THAT STORES MY CAPTAIN ONSITE WITHIN 200 FT OF OUR LOT.
AS YOU ALL HAVE HEARD, THEY'RE SERIOUS LONG-TERM HEALTH RISKS WITH EXPOSURE TO THIS CHEMICAL IN LARGE AMOUNTS, AND THE CITY OF ANNA HAS CONFIRMED THAT IF A LEAK WERE TO HAPPEN, THEY'RE IN-EQUIPPED TO HANDLE IT PROPERLY, WHICH COULD LEAD TO CONSEQUENCES DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH OF ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS A FUTURE VOTER, I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN A CITY THAT VALUES THEIR CITIZENS HEALTH AND SAFETY, AND SO IN LIGHT OF THIS, I'M BEGGING YOU TO CONSIDER BOTH SIDES OF THIS PROPOSAL AND SEE THE DANGERS INVOLVED, NOT SIMPLY THE MONEY.
PLEASE REJECT THE PROPOSAL TO PUT THEM OR CAPTAIN INJECTION STATION WHERE IT WILL ENDANGER OUR FAMILIES, OUR FRIENDS, AND OUR FUTURES. THANK YOU.
>> MY NAME IS DR. BLAKE BRANSON.
I'M TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS BRIEFLY.
I'M AN EXPERT IN THE TESTING AND MEASUREMENT OF OIL AND GAS CHEMICALS, INCLUDING THE TYPES OF CHEMICALS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE STORED ON SITE AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
I WANT TO TRY TO PROVIDE VERY PLAIN ENGLISH EXPLANATION FOR SOME OF THESE TECHNICAL MATTERS.
THE FIRST THING, I'VE PASSED OUT TO YOU GUYS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, IS WHAT'S CALLED THE SAFETY DATA SHEET.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE CHEMICAL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE STORED THERE, CHEVRON PHILLIPS IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO ANALYZE THEIR MATERIAL AND TO DISCLOSE THE SAFETY OF IT OR THAT THE HAZARDS OF IT.
THERE'S A QUIZ AT THE END, SO I HOPE YOU BROUGHT YOUR NUMBER TWO PENCILS. [NOISE] THANK YOU. NO WORRIES. THESE SAFETY DATA SHEETS, THEY'RE PROVIDED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE CHEMICAL AND THEY PICKED THEY EXPLAIN A NUMBER OF PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES AND TOXICOLOGY OF THE MATERIAL.
THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S USEFUL, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE THE COMPOSITION OF THE MATERIAL, FIREFIGHTING TECHNIQUES, ETC AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WAS THIS NOTION THAT THIS CHEMICAL IF IT WERE TO LEAK OUT WOULD JUST SIMPLY FLOAT AWAY.
THAT'S NOT TRUE, AND I JUST WALK YOU THROUGH IT VERY SIMPLY.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SAFETY DATA SHEET.
THE MAIN COMPONENT IN THIS MATERIAL, YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE 4, IT'S ON THE SLIDE HERE IS ISOPROPYL MERCAPTAN, AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR SAFETY DATA SHEET FOR ISOPROPYL MERCAPTAN AND WERE AT TURN TO PAGE LET'S SAY FIVE OR SIX, THE BOTTOM OF FIVE AND THE TOP OF SIX.
THERE'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS MEASURED IN THESE LABORATORIES, LIKE THE LABORATORY I USED TO RUN, IS WHAT'S CALLED RELATIVE VAPOR DENSITY, THAT BASICALLY DESCRIBES HOW DENSE IS THIS GAS COMPARED TO AIR.
IF IT'S GOT A NUMBER LARGER THAN ONE, IT WILL SINK.
IF IT'S GOT A NUMBER LESS THAN ONE, IT WILL FLOAT AWAY.
ISOPROPYL MERCAPTAN, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY COMPONENT IN THIS SENTINEL 0-10, HAS A RELATIVE VAPOR DENSITY OF 2.62.
IT'S VERY HEAVY. IT IS NOT LIKELY TO JUST DISSIPATE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT HAD COME UP PREVIOUSLY.
THIS MATERIAL JUST SIMPLY WON'T FLOAT AWAY.
IT'S GOING TO COLLECT AND LOW LINE SPOTS OR BEFORE WIND-BLOWN CLOUD IF IT WERE TO VAPORIZE.
THIS IS MORE JUST COMMON SENSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS IF YOU GO GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH FOR ODORANT INJECTION STATIONS, YOU CAN FIND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF PICTURES.
I JUST PULLED THE FIRST FIVE THAT I PULLED UP FROM GOOGLE THIS AFTERNOON.
YOU DON'T SEE IN THE BACKGROUND OF ANY OF THESE PICTURES ARE NEIGHBORHOODS, OR SUBDIVISIONS.
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THESE TYPICALLY ODORANT INJECTION STATIONS ARE NOT CITED IN RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS.THE REASON FOR THAT IS ONCE YOU HAVE POPULATION AROUND THE PIPELINE, THEY'RE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL REGULATION TO ODOROUS THAT PIPELINE.
IT'S AN INEVITABILITY THAT THIS PIPELINE WILL BE ODORIZED IN ANY WAYS.
BUT THE POINT IS, THESE DON'T EXIST IN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE REASON IS IT'S A SAFETY RISK IS UNNECESSARY.
ANOTHER POINT THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST P&Z MEETING.
WELL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY AFTER THIS.
KEEP GOING. I'VE ONLY GOT TWO MORE SLIDES.
ATMOS HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS IS THE ONLY PIPELINE ASSET THEY MANAGE THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY ODORIZED.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER ODORIZING STATION THAT THEY'VE DESIGNED, BUILT, MAINTAINED IF THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF THESE ASSETS THAT THEY'VE EVER USED, IT'S UNLIKELY THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ON THAT, AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST THING I WOULD MENTION IS THESE SDS IS ALSO TELL YOU THAT TOXICITY OF THE CHEMICAL, YOU CAN TAKE THAT NUMBER, AND THAT NUMBER IS BASICALLY AT THAT CONCENTRATION IN AIR, HALF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BREEDING AND ARE BED.
YOU CAN TAKE THAT NUMBER, CALCULATE OUT WHAT SIZE OF A TOXIC CLOUD WILL THAT BUILD TO BE, LET'S SAY 10 FEET TALL, 400 FEET WIDE AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT CLOUD CAN BLOW BY THE WIND.
SO THINK ABOUT WHERE THAT GREEN CIRCLE COULD MOVE TO AND HOW MANY HOUSES THAT THING COULD MOVE PAST. THANK YOU.
>> CAN ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS?
>> THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, YOU WERE PROPOSING METHYL MERCAPTAN WAS GOING TO BE INJECTED.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING ISOPROPYL, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE NAMES OF WHAT?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IN THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, I THINK HE'D BEEN ASKED REPEATEDLY WHAT WAS THE MERCAPTAN THEY WERE GOING TO BE INJECTING, AND AT THE TIME THEY DID NOT SAY SO AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT THE PRODUCT THEY'RE USING, A SENTINEL 0-10, AND SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS CLOSURE OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT CHEMICAL IS, WE CAN GO PULL A RECIPE FOR WHAT IT IS.
>> BUT YOU WOULD SAY SENTINEL 0-10 IS LESS DANGEROUS THAN METHYL MERCAPTAN THAT YOU CAME WITH LEFT ON, WOULD YOU NOT?
>> YES. IT'S LESS DANGEROUS THAN METHYL MERCAPTAN THAN PURE METHYL MERCAPTAN.
>> I'M JUST STILL CONCERNED ON WHY METHYL MERCAPTAN IS WHAT A LOT OF THE FOLKS IN THE SUBDIVISION THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE IN THE LINE.
IT CAME WITH THE MOST DANGEROUS MERCAPTAN AND THERE IS THAT ATMOS DOESN'T USE NOW YOU'RE CHANGING IT.
NOW THAT'S WORRISOME TO ME LIKE THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MISINFORMATION.
IT'S GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S MAKING THEM THINK THEY'RE IN A WHOLE LOT OF DANGER THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT.
>> I DON'T HAVE ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE TOXICITY RATING OF METHYL MERCAPTAN COMPARED TO ISOPROPYL MERCAPTANS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR.
>> WHAT NORMALLY CAUSES THESE THINGS TO EXPLODE? WHERE WOULD THE DANGER COME FROM?
>> SO THE EXPLOSIVE DANGER IS GOING TO BE IDENTICAL REGARDLESS OF WHAT MATERIAL THEY HAVE.
THAT COMES FROM WHAT'S CALLED THE FLASHPOINT OF THE MATERIAL.
FLASHPOINT, THAT'S BASICALLY THE TEMPERATURE AT WHICH THAT MATERIAL WILL IGNITE.
>> WHICH IS WHAT? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE, RIGHT?
>> WELL, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO EXPLODE BECAUSE IT'S SITTING OUTDOORS.
>> NO, SO THE FLASHPOINTS LESS THAN ZERO DEGREES, IT'S BASICALLY SO LOW THAT YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT IN THE LABORATORY.
>> SO IT'S NOT THE FLASHPOINT THAT'S THE DANGER?
>> WILL JUST EXPLAIN THAT WHEN THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE IS ABOVE THE FLASHPOINT, THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE IN THE DANGER ZONE.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S WARMER THAN ZERO DEGREES CELSIUS OR 30 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE DANGER ZONE THAT ANY SPARK WOULD IGNITE THAT MATERIAL.
>> BUT A SPARK HAS TO COME FROM A FIRE AROUND IT, A GRASS FIRE SUPPOSEDLY, OR A VEHICLE STRIKING.
>> OR IF A VEHICLE WERE TO COME UP NEXT TO IT, LET'S SAY THERE'S A CLOUD OF THIS MATERIAL THAT RELEASED.
SO IT'S LOW LINE, IT'S HEAVIER THAN AIR.
SO IF IT WERE TO REMAIN IN PLACE.
SO SOMEONE IN PARKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER UNDER THEIR CARS PLENTY HOT TO IGNITE THAT GAS.
>> THE GAS THERE HAS TO BE LEAKING SOMEHOW.
>> THERE HAS TO BE LEAKING SOMEHOW. THAT'S CORRECT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING UP WITH WHAT WOULD CAUSE AN EXPLOSION.
THE ONLY THING I'M SEEING IS THAT HE'S GOING TO CAUSE LIKE A VEHICLE HAS TO COME OFF THE ROAD TO STRIKE THIS.
ALL THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED DON'T HAVE ANY WALLS AROUND THEM.
OBVIOUSLY, PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
>> IT'S A GAS, SO IT'S GOING TO FIND A WAY TO ESCAPE AND IT WILL FILL WHATEVER SPACE IT CAN.
>> PROBABLY AS THE POP-OFF VALVE RIGHT OR SHUT-OFF VALVE.
>> THERE'S ALL SORTS OF REASONS THAT GAS LINES LEAK, CORROSION OF VALVES INADVERTENTLY LEFT OPEN, CROSS THREADED FITTING.
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I MEAN, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY VERY REAL.THERE'S AN ENTIRE COMMITTEE IN TEXAS, IT'S CALLED THE FUGITIVE EMISSIONS COMMITTEE, THAT ALL THEY DO IS GO AROUND FIXING ESSENTIALLY GAS LEAKS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MR. MAYOR, MY NAME IS STUART BROWN.
I LIVE AT 3027 CROSSING DRIVE.
THIS CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION ALSO BACKS UP RIGHT TO MY PROPERTY.
I COMMEND YOU ALL ON REPRESENTING THE GREAT CITIZENS OF ANNA.
AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU HEARD ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE AND ARE PROOF THAT YOU ASKED US TO GIVE YOU AND YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION, YOU SEND IT BACK THROUGH THE P&Z TO GET MORE ANSWERS.
THEY SEND IT BACK TO YOU SAYING ONCE AGAIN, DON'T DO THIS, AND WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN.
HOWEVER YOU VOTE, I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE LUCKY AS A CITY TO HAVE YOU HONORABLE MEN REPRESENTING OUR CITY AND DOING THE VERY BEST YOU CAN AS TO WHAT YOU DO, AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH SINCERELY I DO.
IT'S SOMETIMES A THANKLESS JOB WITH WHAT YOU ALL DO, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU REALLY DO HAVE YOUR HEART IN THE CITY AND I APPRECIATE IT.
WHAT YOU'D ASKED US TO DO WAS TO PROVE TO YOU THAT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IS WRONG. SO WE DID.
THEY SAID THAT THIS IS JUST A METERING STATION.
GUYS NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S A CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION, AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY STOOD RIGHT HERE AND TOLD YOU'RE AND ANSWER TO YOU, THERE'S NO CHEMICALS IN THIS.
WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY VOTED YES FOR THIS, OF COURSE, THERE'S CHEMICALS IN IT.
THERE'S A WHOLE CHEMICAL CONTAINER FULL OF CHEMICALS IN THIS.
THEN THEY SAID THIS THING MUST BE BUILT RIGHT HERE OR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ANNA IS GOING TO STOP BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVIDE GAS TO ANYBODY ELSE ANYMORE? THAT'S NOT TRUE.
NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO TRUE.
THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY SET FOR GAS.
THE GAS PIPELINE RUNS ABOUT 130 MILES, AND BY THE WAY, NOW, AT THIS LAST P&Z MEETING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WATCH IT OR NOT, BUT NOW THEY'RE COMING IN AND SAYING, BY THE WAY, WE MEANT THAT.
WE MEANT THIS. THERE'S CHEMICALS BUT, WE SAID THIS BUT, DON'T LET THEM DO THIS.
THIS THING CAN BE PUT ANYWHERE ON THAT 130-MILE LINE.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PUT THERE.
THE REASON WHY THEY'RE PUTTING IT THERE, IT'S BECAUSE THEY GOT A GIFT OF SOME LAND.
I HAVE ONLY ONE, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU TO SHOW YOU WHAT I'VE GOT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KEEP HEARING FROM THEM IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRANSMISSION PIPELINE.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE ROAD ACCESS TO THIS THING.
I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THEM RIGHT HERE FOR YOU TO SEE AND I JUST LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO PASS IT RIGHT DOWN THE LINE.
THE FIRST PAGE, YOU'LL SEE THE LINE.
THE SECOND PAGE, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE PROPOSED YOU'LL SEE AN ARROW WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING IT.
THE NEXT TWO PAGES, THERE'S TWO MORE ARROWS SHOWING HERE'S BIG WIDE OPEN SPACES RIGHT ON ROAD CORNERS. THANK YOU.
>> CAN YOU FLIP? THERE YOU GO.
>> SO JUST HIT THE ARROW. THANKS.
>> OH, GOT IT. THANKS. SO THAT'S THE LINE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT.
BY THE WAY, THAT'S ABOUT THAT'S WHAT LESS THAN A MILE, WELL THIS BEING IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS ANYWAY. THERE'S 130 MILES OF THIS THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
I JUST ASKED YOU TO DO THE HONORABLE THING AGAIN.
JUST TELL THEM NO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH THIS.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE MORE THING.
WHEN YOU ALL CLOSE THESE MEETINGS AND GO TO CLOSED SESSION UP HERE.
NOW CONSISTENTLY CONTINUE TO CALL THEM UP HERE AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS TO GET TO THE TRUTH, IF WHEN THEY COME UP HERE AND SAY AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET THE ANSWERS TO THAT.
ASK DR. BRANSON. IT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> THANK YOU. JENNIFER RICHARDSON.
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>> HI, JENNIFER RICHARDSON, 3027 CROSSING DRIVE.
STAND UP, IF YOU'RE HERE IF YOU'RE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.
GUYS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TALK WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN.
I AM TRULY GRATEFUL THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDERED OUR REQUEST AND YOU'RE LETTING US PRESENT THIS TO YOU AGAIN.
I WANT TO START OFF BY ANSWERING A QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ACTUALLY JUST ASKED.
HE ASKED OUR EXPERT, WHY ARE YOU CHANGING THE GAS THAT YOU'RE LIKE YOU'RE I THINK YOU THOUGHT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SCARE THE NEIGHBORS AND THINKING THAT IT WAS A MUCH SCARIER CHEMICAL.
SO WHAT WE WERE GOING OFF WAS THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY ATMOS, WHICH WAS NOTHING.
THEY HAD FIVE MEETINGS TO TELL YOU GUYS, FIVE DIFFERENT MEETINGS TO TELL YOU GUYS WHAT KIND OF CHEMICAL THEY WERE USING, AND ONLY ON THE FIFTH MEETING DID THEY PROVIDE YOU WITH THE NAME OF THE CHEMICAL? SO WE WERE USING THE CHEMICAL THAT WE KNEW OF THAT WAS USED IN THESE FACILITIES.
>> I THINK HE WAS USING THE SCARIEST OF ALL MERCAPTANS, EVEN THOUGH THEY REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME WAS.
>> WE WERE USING THE MERCAPTAN THAT IS MOST COMMONLY USED.
>> IN CHEMICAL INJECTION STATIONS LIKE THIS.
IT WASN'T UNTIL ONE MEETING AGO IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL THAT ATMOS FINALLY DISCLOSED WHICH CHEMICAL.
SO ONCE WE KNEW WHICH CHEMICAL WE PRESENTED ON THAT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED TO WITH P&Z AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT TODAY.
IT WASN'T, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO SCARE EVERYBODY.
WE WERE USING THE ONLY INFORMATION WE HAD.
ANOTHER THING THAT YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT, HOW DOES THIS THING EXPLODE? SO I WANT TO AT THE LAST P&Z MEETING, THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS ASKED BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
CAN THIS BE IN AN ENCLOSED AREA? LIKE IN A BUILDING THAT'S ENCLOSED, ATMOS SAID NO, IT CAN'T. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THE CHEMICALS WHEN THEY COME OUT, THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
THEY CAN'T STAY IN A BUILDING.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF ARE CHEMICALS GOING TO BE RELEASED? THEY WILL BE RELEASED.
THAT'S WHY THE TCEQ AND THE TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION HAVE LEVELS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY RELEASE OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION ARE THEY GOING TO BE RELEASED? THEY WILL BE.
I DO THINK THAT THEY WILL BE RELEASED BY DON'T THINK THEY EXPLODE WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED.
OKAY. LET'S GO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU REAL FAST.
DR. BRANSON JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
WHAT'S THE LEVEL IN WHICH IT WILL EXPLODE? SO IF IT COMES IN CONTACT WITH ANYTHING THAT'S OVER THE LEVEL OF EIGHT DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.
SO IF A CAR DRIVES BY AND FLICKS A CIGARETTE AND THERE'S A WIND, AND LOOK, GAS DOESN'T JUST STAY IN IT'S LITTLE BRICKED IN WALL, RIGHT? THIS GAS IS GOING TO GO OUT.
SO IF SOMEBODY FLICKS A CIGARETTE BUT, IF SOMEBODY'S CAR OVER HEATS AND THEY PULL OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
ATMOS CONFIRMED AT THE LAST P&Z MEETING, THIS IS IMPORTANT GUYS.
THEY CONFIRMED THIS IS THE FIRST ASSET, THE FIRST PIPELINE THAT THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THAT WAS NOT ALREADY ODORIZED.
THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE OWED ARISING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY ODORIZING IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
DO WE, AS THE CITIZENS OF ANNA WITH OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
REMEMBER, THIS IS WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT.
OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS A HALF-MILE AWAY.
DO WE WANT TO LET ATMOS TAKE A FIRST SHOT AT THIS, DOING THIS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
BECAUSE THEY DID CONFIRM THIS IS THE FIRST PIPELINE THAT THEY'VE HAD THAT WASN'T ALREADY ODORIZED.
THEY DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE PUTTING THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN.
WOULD YOU WANT ATMOS TAKING THEIR FIRST TRY AT THIS AND YOUR BACKYARD 100 FT AWAY FROM WHERE YOUR CHILDREN'S SLEEP EVERY NIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.
REMEMBER, I'VE SHOWN THIS TO YOU BEFORE.
THE GREEN IS THE PIPELINE THAT GOES.
BUT IT WAS DISCLOSED TO US AT THE LAST P&Z MEETING, I THINK A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THIS THIS PIPELINE STARTS OVER AT TEXAS MOTOR SPEEDWAY AT 114.
THEY ESTIMATED IT GOES ON FOR 130 MI.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATMOS DISCLOSED AT THE P&Z MEETING,
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AND DR. BRANSON HAS CONFIRMED THAT ONCE THESE PIPELINE, ONCE THE POPULATION GROWS ALONG THE PIPELINE, ANYWHERE ON THE PIPELINE, IT IS A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT, FEDERAL LAW THAT THEY HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTIRE PIPELINE.SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATMOS SAID AT THE LAST MEETING WAS WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE NUMBERS, THE POPULATION GROWTH PROJECTIONS TO SEE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTIRE PIPELINE.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS YET, SO I WANT TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO MAKE THEM ANSWER THAT QUESTION TONIGHT.
BECAUSE THERE'S AT SOME POINT AS THE POPULATION GROWS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ODORIZE ALL 130 MI OF THIS PIPELINE.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO IN MY BACKYARD.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO WITHIN 20 FT OF HOMES WHERE CHILDREN PLAY.
BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT PHASE ONE OF VILLAGES OF THE HURRICANE CREEK, ALL THIS DOWN HERE HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT.
I HAVE CONFIRMED THEY HAVE GAS THERE.
THOSE HOMES WERE ALREADY BUILT WITH GAS.
THERE IS ACCESS FOR GAS FOR THESE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT YET.
SO IT'S DISINGENUOUS FOR ATMOS TO STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU GUYS THAT THE BUILD-OUT OF THE REST OF VILLAGES OF HURRICANE CREEK IS GOING TO COME TO A HALT.
NUMBER ONE, BEFORE THEY BUILD THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING, THEY PUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE GROUND THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO THEM SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD THE HOMES UP HERE IS NOT TRUE.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR GAS HAS ALREADY BEEN LAID, NUMBER ONE, AND IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE, WHY HAS THE THE THE DEVELOPER NOT SHOWN UP TO A SINGLE MEETING ON THIS ISSUE SAYING, COUNSEL, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.
YOU'RE GOING TO MESS UP OUR ENTIRE PLAN AND ALL OF THIS MONEY THAT WE'VE POURED IN TO THE CITY OF ANNA.
NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS SHOWED UP, NOT ONETIME BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
GUYS, IT'S ON A CURVE ON A ROAD RIGHT HERE, HIGH TRAFFIC.
THERE'S GOING TO BE TONS OF SCHOOL BUS IS GOING DOWN THIS ROAD EVERY DAY.
I THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING LAST TIME I ASKED YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING THIS TIME. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, JENNIFER. THAT'S THE LAST ONE MAYER.
>> WE'VE ALLOWED ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
ATMOS, YOU HAVE YOUR TURN NOW.
THEN AFTER THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON.
OUR GOAL HERE TONIGHT IS HELPS INFORM YOU IN THE PAST, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULDN'T ANSWER DEFINITIVELY AND WE'RE HERE TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
IF ONE OF US THREE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, WE HAVE A TEAM OF EXPERTS WITH US, SO WE HOPE TO HAVE NO QUESTIONS UNANSWERED TONIGHT BEFORE WE LEAVE.
GETTING INTO SOME OF THIS INFORMATION YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN.
SOME OF THE CITIZENS POINTED OUT, WE NEED X ROAD ACCESS PIPELINE EASEMENT AND ABOVE SITE ACCESS AS WELL.
THEN ALSO, THEY'RE SAYING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY LAID ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF HURRICANE CREEK.
THE SOUTHERN PART DOES HAVE GUESTS AND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN THE GROUND, BUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT HAVE GAS IN IT.
IT NEEDS EXTRA SUPPLY OF GAS TO THE CITY OF ANNA TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH.
JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO IT.
ON TOP YOU'LL SEE THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE, AND WE JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE GROUND.
THE BOTTOM IMAGE IS TAKEN FROM OUR SITE LOOKING NORTH, AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE, THE VERY THICK TREE LINE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WILL BE AN EIGHT-FOOT FENCE AS WELL, SO THERE'LL BE NO VISIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN NORTH OF THERE.
TALKING A BIT ABOUT SITE SAFETY.
WE SHARE THIS PICTURE JUST AS AN AESTHETIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE STATION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
IT'S GOING TO MATCH THE HURRICANE CREEK FACADE.
OURS IS GOING TO BE AN EIGHT-FOOT FENCE.
THIS WALL WILL BE TEN INCH THICK STAMPED CONCRETE PANELS THAT ARE REINFORCED WITH REBAR,
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AND THIS IS A VERY STOUT WALL THAT IN ITSELF PROVIDES SOME PROTECTION TO THE SITE.INSIDE THE STATION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BALLARD DESIGNED TO K2 L CRASH RATING THAT ARE DESIGNED TO STOP A VEHICLE WAITING 15,000 POUNDS TRAVELING AT 50 MILES AN HOUR.
SO EVEN IF THEY MAKE IT THROUGH VERY HEAVY WALL, THEY STILL HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE BALLERS.
AGAIN, THE SETBACK FROM THE ROAD.
WE ALSO HAVE LIVE MONITORING, 24/7, REMOTE MONITORING.
SO IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, SOMETHING IS NOT FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY, ALARMED ARE SET OFF AND WE DISPATCH A TECHNICIAN TO THAT SITE VERY QUICKLY TO GO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON OR WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
THEN THERE'S MONTHLY IN-PERSON INSPECTIONS WERE VISIBLY GO OUT EVERY EVERY MONTH AND CHECK ALL THE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.
NEXT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OR ENGINEERING MANAGER AMIR GADID WHO WILL WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS AND THE ODORANT THAT WE PLAN ON USING, WHICH IS NOT THAT DANGEROUS METHYL MERCAPTAIN AND DEODORIZERS TANK, AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO IN THE EVENT OF A SPILL?
>> THANK YOU, JORDAN. GOOD EVENING.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT WE HAVE HERE, ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL IS THE METHYL MERCAPTAN.
THAT IS THE WHAT WAS PROPOSED LAST TIME.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS WHAT WAS HANDED OUT EARLIER, THE SENTINEL GAS ODORANT THAT ATMOS TYPICALLY USES FOR ODORIZING.
AMONGST THE PLENTY OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO, I DO WANT TO COUNT THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE WHICH IS THE TOXICITY.
METHYL MERCAPTAN IS CLASSIFIED AS A TOXIC GAS.
IT HAS ACUTE TOXICITY CHARACTERISTICS.
SO IMMEDIATELY UPON INHALATION, YOU WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATE SYMPTOMS OF BODILY HARM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SENTINEL IS NON-TOXIC AND IT IS A LIQUID. IT IS NOT A GAS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAMONDS THERE, AS FAR AS THE FLAMMABILITY AND HEALTH RATINGS THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, IT IS A FOUR FOR FLAMMABILITY AS WELL AS A FOUR FOR THE HEALTH HAZARD.
THAT IS THE HIGHEST YOU GET ON THE CLASSIFICATION FOR ANY PRODUCT.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE YOU CAN SEE THE SENTINEL HEALTH HAZARD, THERE FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME COMPARISON, HOUSEHOLD BLEACH HAS A HEALTH HAZARD OF A THREE, PROPANE FLAMMABILITY OF A FOUR.
BUT THE KEY CLASSIFICATION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CLASSIFICATION, IT SAYS FLAMMABLE LIQUID, NOT GAS, NOT VAPOR.
IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 1 ON THE SENTINEL LOW THAT WAS PROVIDED EARLIER ON USES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE USE THERE IS ODORANT.
IT'S GOT ONE WORD THERE JUST SAYS JUST FOR ODORANT.
ON METHYL MERCAPTAN USES OUR CHEMICAL INTERMEDIATE.
SO METHYL MERCAPTAN ARE USED MORE COMMONLY IN THE INDUSTRIAL CHEMICAL, PLASTICS, PESTICIDES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
IT WAS TOUCHED ON EARLIER THAT THE EXISTING PIPELINE IS NOT ODORIZED, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, WE DO HAVE AN ODORIZER THAT HAS MORE KEPT IN THERE.
IT IS ADDED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
SINCE IT IS NATURAL GAS IN ITS NATURAL STATE IS ODORLESS.
THAT PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS AN ACTUAL PHOTO OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIMENSIONS ON THE ENTIRE SECTION THERE, IT'S 10 FOOT LONG, FIVE FOOT WIDE.
YOU CAN SEE THE DRIP PAN, THE CATCH PAN UNDERNEATH, THAT'S DESIGNED TO HOLD THE ENTIRE TANK PLUS 10%.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE A PHOTO OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE LIKE HOUSEHOLD BLEACH.
I'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A SECOND IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
WHAT DID WE DO IN THE EVENT OF A SPILL? IF THERE IS A SMALL SPILL, WE USE A PRODUCT CALLED DEMOLISH.
DEMOLISH IS A HOUSEHOLD CLEANING ITEM THAT IS USED JUST YOU CAN GET IT AT YOUR LOCAL HOUSEHOLDS SECTION, CLEANING SECTION IN DEPARTMENT STORE.
BUT WHAT IT IS, IT'S A PRODUCT THAT'S MIXED WITH WATER, YOU SPRAY IT ON AND WHAT IT DOES IS JUST NEUTRALIZES THE ODOR.
THE ONLY HARM THAT WOULD BE TO THE PUBLIC IS JUST A FOUL ODOR AND THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT ODOR.
IF A LARGE SPILL WERE TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD UTILIZE THE CONTRACTOR CALLED SUNBELT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN AN EXISTING AGREEMENT WITH.
THEY'RE A LOCAL CONTRACTOR HERE OUT OF KERATIN.
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THEY WILL QUICKLY COME TO DECONTAMINATE, CLEAN UP THAT AREA ACCORDING TO THE EPA STANDARDS.THEN I KNOW THAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED EARLIER ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE EXPERIENCED WITH THIS.
WE HAVE OVER 15,402 ODORIZERS IN TEXAS, BOTH IN URBAN AND RURAL AREAS, ALL ACROSS.
SO WE'VE GOT MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH ODORIZERS AND HOW TO PROPERLY HANDLE THEM, HOW TO PROPERLY MAINTAIN IT.
THE BIGGEST POINT IS WE HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED A LARGE SPILL.
SO WITH ALL OF THESE ODORIZERS WE HAVE NOT HAD A TIME WHERE WE HAD TO GO OUT AND PROVIDE ALL OF THESE MEASURES.
SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT BEHIND THAT, AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OVER TO JONATHAN NELLA WITH OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
>> SURE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE WITH THE TWO CHEMICALS ON IT? SO DOES ATMOS USE METHYL MERCAPTAN IN ANY NO.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, A GAS THAT IS TOXIC LIKE THAT IS ACTUALLY CANNOT BE USED FOR CODE.
>> THEN CAN I SEE THE PICTURE OF THE CONTAINER AGAIN? HOW MANY GALLONS DOES THE CONTAINER HOLD?
>> THE CONTAINER IS 250 GALLONS.
>> THAT DRIP PAN WILL HOLD 250 GALLONS IF THERE'S A LEAK.
>> YEAH, IT'S QUITE WIDE. CAN'T REALLY SEE THE PICTURE ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE.
>> BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO SAYING THAT YOU HAD THESE IN RURAL AND URBAN AREAS, BUT DO YOU HAVE THEM IN ANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS? THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING TOO, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE CLOSE TO HOMES AND ALL TYPES OF ENVIRONMENTS, AND AS THE CITIES GROW, THERE'S A NEW ONE IN THE CITY OF ANNA THERE'S A TAB JUST NORTH OF THE DAY IN HIGH SCHOOL AND ONCE THAT DEVELOPS, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
BUT WE DO HAVE THEM IN BOTH RURAL AND URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.
>> IF THIS WAS TO GET OUT OF THE DRIP PAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVING A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY IN KERATIN.
EVEN IF THAT'S A FAST RESPONSE, THAT'S STILL PRETTY A WAYS AWAY.
SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A NEED TO CONTACT A FIRE DEPARTMENT HAZARD TEAM?
>> WE WOULD STILL CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ANYWAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THE SITUATION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
>> YOU WOULDN'T NEED A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TEAM FROM A LOW COST.
>> NO SIR. WE UTILIZE SUNBELT.
THEY'RE AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMPANY. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THEY'RE USED TO CLEAN UP CHEMICAL SPILLS, AND LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS DESIGNED TO HOLD 110% OF THE VOLUME OF THE TANK, SO IT'LL HOLD 275 GALLONS WHEN THE ACTUAL TANK ITSELF IS ONLY 250 GALLONS.
INTO THE POINT THAT WE'RE MADE ABOUT.
WE'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED A LARGE SPILL IN THAT, WE'RE NOT MAKING UP THAT SMALL AND LARGE.
THAT'S FROM CAMEO CHEMICALS, WHICH IS A RESOURCE THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS USE TO RESPOND TO TO SPILLS AND THINGS AND THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, AND IT CATEGORIZES LARGEST, OVER 55 GALLONS.
SO WE'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED A LEAK IN ATMOSPHERES HISTORY OF OVER 55 GALLONS.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF WHAT CAUSED THE LEAKS THAT YOU DID HAVE?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT VOLUME IS OF LEAKS THAT WE DID HAVE.
I'M ONLY AWARE OF VERY SMALL AMOUNTS THAT DROPS NOT LARGE IN ANYWAY.
>> BUT YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A FAILURE OF THE CONTAINER OR?
>> WE'RE UNAWARE OF ANY FAILURES, ANY LEAKS DUE TO THE EQUIPMENT FAILURES? JUST IF YOU WANT TO.
>> THE ONLY EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD IS WHEN WE GO OUT TO REFILL, WHICH WOULD BE ONCE AND EVERY 18 MONTHS, THERE'S THE OFF CHANCE THAT YOU HAVE A DROP OR TWO THAT'S OUTSIDE.
>> THE CENTENNIAL O2 GAS THAT IS BEING INJECTED IN THE ODORLESS LINE, AND THAT'S ONE THING IS THE CENTENNIAL OETTINGEN GAS AND EVERY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS CURRENTLY? MY STOVE AND I SMELL MERCAPTAN IN LINE BECAUSE MY SPARK HASN'T LIVED ON A GAS STOVE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SMELLING?
>> YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT'S THE SIGNATURE SMELL GAS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS JUST YET? I JUST WANT TO WRAP UP OUR QUICK PRESENTATION WITH THIS LAST SLIDE.
WE TAKE PRIDE IN BEING THE SAFEST PROVIDER OF NATURAL GAS.
WE HAVE INVESTED IN A STATE OF THE ART TRAINING FACILITY JUST DOWN THE ROAD IN PLANO.
IT'S GOT A SIMULATED CITY IN THE BACKGROUND WHERE PEOPLE CAN TRAIN ON ANYTHING NATURAL GAS RELATED.
WE'VE OPENED THIS UP TO LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, WE'VE TRAINED OVER 1,700 FIREFIGHTERS TO DATE AT THIS FACILITY.
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COMING UP IN MAY, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE ANNA FIRE DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENT ON NATURAL GAS RESPONSE.THE NUMBER 1 ISSUE WE DEAL WITH IS THIRD-PARTY DAMAGE TO OUR FACILITIES.
WE ALWAYS CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE PUBLIC CALLS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THERE'S THIRD-PARTY DAMAGE.
WE WORK THROUGH TRAINING WITH THEM, AND THEN WE ALSO WORK THROUGH INCIDENT COMMAND ON WHAT THE SITUATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE TAKE PRIDE IN BEING A SAFEST PROVIDER OF NATURAL GAS.
WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
>> THANK YOU. BETWEEN EVERYONE'S PRESENTATIONS, IT'S ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS, SO THANK YOU.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I HEARD ACQUISITION OF THE LINE, I'VE BEEN WONDERING WHY THIS LINE IS NOT BEEN NOTARIZED AT ALL.
THAT'S A LONG STRETCH OF LINE THAT NEEDS THE SAFETY FEATURES.
>> AS YOU KNOW, NATURAL GAS HAS MANY USES OUTSIDE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
THE USE OF NATURAL GAS IN INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS, MANUFACTURING, GAS STORAGE, POWER GENERATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE CERTAIN INDUSTRIES BY WHICH HAVING EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF A SENTINEL MERCAPTAN CHEMICAL WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMPLEXITIES IN THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, IT IS A NOTARIZED.
>> THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ISOPROPYL MERCAPTAN, AND NOT THE OTHER STUFF.
WHAT PREVENTION IS THERE FROM UTMOST NOT CHANGING THIS CHEMICAL LATER ON AND END UP BEING SOMETHING MORE TOXIC.
>> ISOPROPYL MERCAPTAN IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE BLEND OF THE SENTINEL.
ARE YOU REFERRING THE METHYL MERCAPTAN?
>> I'M REFERRING TO THE DECISION TODAY IS BASED ON A SPECIFIC CHEMICAL THAT'S LESS TOXIC.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON T KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE A TOXICITY LEVEL THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED LATER ON.
WHILE IT MAY APPEASE LOCAL RESIDENTS, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WOULD BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION FROM OUR STANDPOINT.
>> I GUESS WHAT I CAN SAY ON THAT IS, AND WITH A SAFETY DATA SHEET THAT'S THERE, THE SENTINEL IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR ODORANT.
IT'S DESIGNED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
IT IS NOT TOXIC IN ITS NATURE, AND SO THERE ARE SOME PROHIBITATIONS FOR US TO HAVE A TOXIC GAS OBVIOUSLY IN OUR SYSTEM.
SO WITH REGARD TO THAT, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE USE A BLEND ESSENTIALLY THAT IS OKAY FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, AND THAT'S WHAT THE SENTINEL IS DESIGNED FOR.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY FOR THAT.
>> YOU'VE ANSWERED ANOTHER QUESTION.
I THINK THERE WAS CONCERN RAISED ABOUT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
OBVIOUSLY, TRAINING IS ALREADY SCHEDULED, I MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR FIRE CHIEF LATER ON BUT.
>> WHICH WE CAN DO THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
>> YES, SIR. I STILL HAVE ONE MAJOR CONCERN.
TONIGHT IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT STOPPING A 15,000 POUND VEHICLE RUNNING AT 50 MILES PER HOUR.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT WILL BE AT ROSE-HULMAN AS IT RUNS THROUGH THAT AREA? IT RUNS AT 35 OR 45?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ROAD FULLY DESIGNED YET, SO THERE IS STILL SOME QUESTION WHAT THE FINAL DESIGN SPEED WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30-40 MILES AN HOUR.
FORTY WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MAXIMUM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A CURVE, THERE'S GOING TO BE RADIUS IN THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.
I CAN'T SEE THE SPEED LIMIT BEING ANYWHERE NORTH OF 40 MILES AN HOUR.
>> THANK YOU. THERE'S VARIOUS VEHICLES THAT WILL TRAVEL THAT ROAD THAT FAR EXCEED 15,000 POUNDS.
THE EJECTION SPEED, EVEN AT 30 MILES PER HOUR IS GOING TO GO RIGHT THROUGH THAT BARRICADE.
A CONCRETE TRUCKS EMPTY IS ROUGHLY IS 20,000 POUNDS OR MORE.
FULLY LOADED IS GOING TO BE AT 40,000.
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WITHOUT SOUNDING BOMBASTIC, IT'S ONE OF THE WORDS I LEARNED.THERE'S A PASSENGER VEHICLE THAT WILL EXCEED 36,000 POUNDS FULLY LOADED, TRAVELING AT WHATEVER THE SPEED LIMIT IS RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
THE COUNTERMEASURES ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO STOP THE VEHICLES.
THE OTHER CHALLENGE, SO THE SCHOOL WHENEVER IT GETS BORDERS WITHIN A HALF-MILE RADIUS.
I DON'T CLAIM TO BE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, BUT I'VE HAD TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS MYSELF.
THE SCHOOL IS WITHIN THE EXIT RADIUS, THE HALF-MILE RADIUS.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS THE ESCAPE ROUTE.
THE PRIMARY ROTTERY IS THE VERY ONE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING ANY ACCIDENTS ON, SO WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG ESCAPE ROUTE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ALL THE STUDENTS OUT OF THERE.
I STILL HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
TONIGHT I LEARNED THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE NEAR ANOTHER SCHOOL, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THERE TOO.
OUR CITY ORDINANCES, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME HOW THESE THINGS WORK.
THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS ALCOHOL SALES WITHIN 300 FEET OF A SCHOOL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCES THAT PROTECT OUR SCHOOLS FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHIN A HALF-MILE RADIUS, AND IT FELT LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE ONE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS IN THE FUTURE.
>> CAN I ADDRESS THE TWO THINGS?
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR WALL DESIGNS LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS NOT SOME FLIMSY WALLS SURROUNDING THE STATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN SEEING THESE.
AGAIN, IT'S 10 INCH THICK, OLD CONCRETE PANELS TO LOOK LIKE BRICK FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES.
IN THE CENTER THERE'S SIX INCH BY SIX INCH QUARTER INCH STEEL MESH LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON A FOUNDATION BEING BUILT, AND THEN THE ENTIRE CAVITY IS FILLED WITH MORTAR IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU'RE 10 INCH THICK SOLID OF CONCRETE, REINFORCED WITH THREE BAR, JUST THE WALL ITSELF IS GOING TO PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL STOPPING POWER AND THAT'S BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO THE BOLLARDS.
THEN TO ADDRESS THE BOLLARDS OF ONLY STOPPING A VEHICLE 15,000 POUNDS AT 50 MILES PER HOUR.
THAT'S THE HIGHEST CRASH RATING THAT BOLLARDS TO GO TO.
A K12 RATING, IS THE HIGHEST RATING THAT YOU CAN DESIGN FOR. THOSE TWO THINGS.
THEN THE EVACUATION, I THINK IT WAS PROPOSED AT ONE OF THE PRIOR MEETINGS WOULD BE A TWO AND A HALF MILE RADIUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE CAMEO CHEMICALS WEBSITE THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS RELY ON FOR HOW TO RESPOND TO THESE THINGS IN THE EVENT OF A LARGE SPILL WHICH ATMOS ENERGY HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION WOULD BE TO CONSIDER EVACUATING 1,000 FEET IN THE DOWNWIND DIRECTION.
THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE FROM THE SLIDE THAT ROSSET PUT UP EARLIER, I THINK IT WAS 3,700 FEET FROM THE SCHOOL.
EVEN THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EVACUATING THE SCHOOL.
>> TO CLARIFY THAT IF A FIRE HAS NOT OCCURRED, IF A FIRE HAS OCCURRED, IT'S ENOUGH RADIUS?
>> YES. IF A FIRE HAS OCCURRED OR A TANK, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
CAN'T WE LOOK AT THE SITE? AGAIN, THE SITE ONE THAT'S SHOWING YOUR VIEWS.
THE AERIAL VIEW, IT'S LOOKING ONE WAY.
>> THE ISSUE I HAVE IS YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK IN ONE DIRECTION.
IF YOU LOOK THE OTHER DIRECTION, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS SITE AND YOU'RE GOING UP A HILL, YOU'RE DOWN IN THE VALLEY, AND ALSO YOU GOT A 320 KV LINES NOT TOO FAR FROM THIS PROPERTY ALSO.
I WISH YOU COULD HAVE DONE A 360 OF THIS AND SHOW THIS IS GOING UP HILL, YOU'RE DOWN IN THE VALLEY AND ALL THE HOMES ARE BEHIND THOSE TREES DOWN IN THE VALLEY ALSO.
YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT TOO.
>> WE'RE SURE TO KEEP IT AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE FOR TIME SAKE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M LOOKING AT I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
I WISH WE COULD ADD A 360 TO THAT.
>> WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
>> I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I DON'T RECALL YOUR VERY FIRST LINE THAT HAD NO MERCAPTAN IN IT.
I RECALL THAT YOU ALL PURCHASED THIS LINE,
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YOU DIDN'T BUILD IT.THAT'S THE REASON IT HAS NO MERCAPTAN.
I'M JUST FRUSTRATED OVER TO ALL OF THIS.
>> I JUST HEARD WHEN YOU COMPARE THE WALL TO THE BOLLARD, SO 1,550 IS THE BOLLARD? THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE RATING FOR THE WALL, DOES IT?
I JUST HAD ONE NON-REAL TECHNICAL QUESTION.
DID AT ANY POINT YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH THE URBAN CROSSING INDIVIDUALS TO DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, ANY OF THEIR CONCERNS AT ALL?
>> WE WERE ASKED TO HOLD A TOWN HALL.
WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO GET THAT SCHEDULED.
DURING THAT TIME BEFORE IT WAS SCHEDULED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WAS TOLD WE'RE ASKED TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA.
WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TOWN HALL BECAUSE WE ARE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU CLARIFY THE ISSUE WITH THIS WAS NOT YOUR FIRST RODEO, BECAUSE I REMEMBER HEARING THAT AND APPEASING P&Z MEETING AS WELL.
>> BACK TO MY OTHER QUESTION. THE DISCUSSION OF IN THE FUTURE, THIS LINE COULD POSSIBLY BE AUTHORIZED AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
WHENEVER THE DEVELOPMENT IS REACHED, THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS IS REACHED.
THIS MERCAPTANS TANK GOES AWAY, CORRECT?
>> IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
THERE ARE OTHER CAVEATS THAT ALLOW US NOT TO AUTHORIZE THE LINE TO MERE'S POINT EARLIER ABOUT INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS.
IF THIS LINE IS FEEDING INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS AND OTHER CONNECTION POINTS THAT FEED LNG FACILITIES OR POWER PLANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THIS LINE.
IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THE TRANSMISSION LINE THERE WILL BE AUTHORIZE.
IT COULD BE AT SOME POINT. WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
>> I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE EVER GET THERE, THEN THIS TANK GOES AWAY.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SAFE ASSUMPTION, YES SIR.
>> WE GOT ONE MORE FOR YOU. I'M TRYING TO COUNT IN MY HEAD.
I FEEL SINCE NOVEMBER THIS IS THE SIXTH TIME COUNTING P&Z THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THIS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD ANY OF THIS PRESENTED TO US.
WE HAVEN'T EVER TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE CONTAINER IS, A DRIP PAN.
THE FACT THAT IT'S A LIQUID THAT GOES IN THERE AND NOT A GAS.
I MEAN, WE WE ASKED YOU GUYS TO COME TO THESE P&Z MEETING, SO I FEEL YOU'VE PRESENTED AT P&Z.
FIRST OF ALL, WE MADE WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
YOU GUYS, WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF US BEFORE WE PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF MERCAPTANS.
THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION WITH YOU GUYS, IS WHY HAVEN'T YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MORE FORTHCOMING AND FOR WHAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ON THE SITE.
BECAUSE I'LL ASK HIM HERE IN A SECOND, BUT I WOULD FEEL MAYBE THIS CHANGES SOME OPINIONS ON THE DANGERS.
THE ACTUAL TYPE OF NOT BEING A GAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION WITH IT, IS THAT AT THE VERY END HERE, AND WE'RE JUST NOW LEARNING ABOUT IT.
I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE THESE MORE OF THESE COME IN FRONT OF US.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED ONE.
THIS IS GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING.
I WOULD JUST KEEP THIS PRESENTATION AND PRESENTED FROM HERE ON OUT. GO AHEAD.
>> TO YOUR POINT, I'LL ADMIT I MEAN, WE DROPPED THE BALL.
WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN READY TO INFORM CITY COUNCIL BETTER.
MOST OF THE TIME, WE DON'T GET AS MUCH PUSHBACK AND AS MUCH QUESTIONS WE TRIED TO BE PREPARED.
IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHICH QUESTIONS WILL BE ASKED SO WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY TONIGHT, WE BROUGHT A TEAM THAT CAN ANSWER ALL LEVELS OF QUESTIONS TO ANY POINT.
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT TOO. THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH THIS PROCESS.
>> NO, I COMPLETELY APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS SHOWING UP TONIGHT IN THE PRESENTATION.
>> COUNSEL, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ATMOS?
>> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR ATMOS, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR URBAN CROSS.
WHILE WE'RE STILL IN AN OPENING FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
>> YOU'RE STILL ON THE PUBLIC.
>> MS. RICHARDSON OR MR. BRANSON,
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CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT? COME ON.>> OBVIOUSLY, YOU-ALL HAD BEEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THE P&Z MEETING.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE SEEING THIS AS WELL.
DOES THIS CHANGE ANY OPINIONS ON WHAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE AND LOCATION?
>> LET ME FIRST ADDRESS SOMETHING.
WHEN YOU JUST ASK, WHY IS THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THIS? THE ANSWER THAT WE DON'T USUALLY GET PUSHED BACK.
WE DON'T USUALLY HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WE CAN JUST GET THIS STUFF PASSED WITHOUT DISCLOSING WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT ATMOSIS TRIED TO DO.
NOT ONLY HAS IT BEEN THIS IS THE SIXTH MEETING.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL TONIGHT, THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE.
HERE WE ARE ALMOST, I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN ENTIRE YEAR, BUT MANY MONTHS, AND THEY'RE JUST NOW DISCLOSING.
THEY DISCLOSED WHAT TYPE OF CHEMICAL THEY WERE GOING TO USE AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT'S HOW WE KNEW WHAT TO PRESENT TO P&Z AND WHAT TO PRESENT TO YOU.
WELL, METHYL MARK CAPTAIN IS THE EVIL CHEMICAL THAT'S THE ONE THAT WILL HURT YOU.
ISOPROPYL MERCAPTANS IS THE HAPPY CHEMICAL, IT WON'T HURT YOU.
IT IS A CHEMICAL AND DOCTOR BRANSON IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHY.
>> YOU HAVE ALL PRESENTED AS A GAS?
>> I'D BE HAPPY TO, SO ALL GASES, ALL SUBSTANCES CAN BE A GAS OR LIQUID.
THINK ABOUT IF YOU SPILL SOME GASOLINE ON THE GROUND WHEN YOU'RE FILLING UP.
IT'S NOT THERE WHEN YOU COME BACK LATER.
THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MEASURED IN A SAFETY DATA SHEET IS WHAT'S CALLED THE VAPOR PRESSURE.
WHAT THAT BASICALLY EXPLAINS IS HOW LIKELY IS THAT SUBSTANCE TO GO FROM A LIQUID POOL UP INTO THE AIR.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT FOR SENTINEL 010, WHICH IS THE CHEMICAL THEY BE STORED ON SITE.
IT HAS A VAPOR PRESSURE OF NINE PSI.
NINE POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH FORCING UP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
THAT'S LIKE GASOLINE LEVEL OF VOLATILITY.
YOU THINK ABOUT THERE'S THIS CATCH PAN AROUND THAT 250 GALLON TANK.
YES, I AGREE, IT'S GOING TO HOLD IT SO IT DOESN'T SPILL OUT INTO THE CREEK.
BUT NOW YOU HAVE ALL THIS SURFACE AREA EXPOSED TO THE ATMOSPHERE AND IT'S COMING OFF AS A GAS AT NINE PSI.
THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF NATURE.
>> LET'S JUST GO BACK TO WHAT THEY PRESENTED.
BUT THEY'VE ALSO SAID THEY'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED A LEAK WHERE HE FILLS UP THE ENTIRE THING.
>> SURE. IT STOPS AT 55 GALLONS.
A 50 GALLON LEAK IS OKAY BUT A 55 GALLON WOULD NOT BE.
>> WHY ARE WE TRUSTING ANYTHING THAT THEY JUST SAID THEY HAVE NOT PRODUCED ANY DATA ANY DOCUMENTATION.
WHEREAS EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE PRODUCED TO YOU, WE'VE TRIED TO BE OPEN AND PROVIDE YOU THE ACTUAL DATA, THE RESEARCH.
>> I'M NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF NOT BEING OPEN OR LYING.
I'M SAYING THEY HAVE PRESENTED THIS TONIGHT.
THEY'RE OFFERING AN EIGHT-FOOT FENCE WITH BALLS IN IT.
ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD CAUSE AN EXPLOSION WE SEEM TO BE WORKING TO TRY TO AVOID.
BUT YET I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT NONE OF THAT IS GOING TO MATTER.
>> THE CONCERN IS THE DANGER IS THE INHALATION TOXICITY.
THAT MEANS THAT BREATHING AND NOT NO FIRE, JUST WHEN IT IF IT WERE TO SPILL, IT'S GOING TO EVAPORATE.
THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF PHYSICS.
IF YOU WERE TO BREATHE THAT, IT'S TOXIC.
THEY SAID TO US EARLIER THAT, THAT IS A NON-TOXIC LIQUID.
THERE ARE LITERALLY RULES ABOUT HOW YOU MEASURE THE TOXICITY.
I JUST PULLED UP CHEVRON PHILLIPS TOXICITY LIMIT FOR METHYLMAR CAPTAIN, IT'S 600 PPM.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S SENTINELS IS, IT'S 20 PPM OR 24 PPM IF YOU DO THE MATH.
IT'S TEN TIMES AS TOXIC TO SAY THAT IT'S, A NON-TOXIC LIQUID IS NOT BEING TRUTHFUL.
>> BUT YOU'VE ALREADY GONE BY THE MSDS SHEET THAT HAS A TWO UNDER HEALTH ON THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE?
>> THE OTHER ONE IS SHOWS A TOXIC IF INHALED.
IT DOESN'T SHOW IT ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S A TWO.
>> BECAUSE IT'S, IT HAS A HIGHER EVAPORATION POINT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S 110 FAHRENHEIT.
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IS THAT TANK SITTING IN THE TEXAS SUN GOING TO REACH 110 FAHRENHEIT OR 120 FAHRENHEIT? IT ABSOLUTELY WELL.>> IF IT'S SITTING WITH 250 GALLONS OF FLUID IN IT.
>> OR IF IT WERE TOO. I'M INTO VAPOR PRESSURE BUT JUST AT A WARM SUMMER DAY IS GOING TO BE NINE PSI.
IT'S GOING TO BE EVAPORATING CONSTANTLY IF IT WERE TO SPILL.
THE REASON THAT THOSE TANKS ARE DESIGNED WITH SPILL PANS IS BECAUSE THEY DO SPELL.
>> THEIR DESIGN WAS SPILLED PANTS FOR SAFETY BECAUSE THEY MIGHT SPILL.
THEY SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR LEAGUES, THAT THE TIN CONTAINER DOESN'T.
>> A MAJOR LEAK SO 55 GALLONS.
THEY ALSO SAID IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEY OPERATE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
WE HAD ONE OF OUR KELLY TEICHMAN SHE CAME UP HERE AND SHE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
WERE ATLASES HAD SPILLS HAPPEN.
>> WELL, I MEAN, I PAID FOR MY KIDS BRACES WITH THE FACT THAT PEOPLE PUT THE WRONG THINGS IN THE WRONG PLACE.
THEY TWIST THE WRONG VALVE, THEY ACCIDENTALLY MIX THIS INTO THAT.
DID THE HUMAN ERROR FACTOR THERE IS.
>> HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT HUMAN ERROR IS HUMAN ERROR, CORRECT? IT'S THE REASON I HAVE A JOB.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SAFETY ITEMS IN PLACE HERE FOR THE DANGERS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.
>> I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO ASK ATMOS TO GET BACK UP HERE AND GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS OF ONE OF THESE CHEMICAL INJECTION STATIONS 20 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
GIVEN YOU SAID, WE'VE GOT THEM IN URBAN AREAS, WE'VE GOT THEM IN RURAL AREAS.
MAKE THEM ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
>> IS THERE A HOUSE WITHIN 20 FEET OF IT?
>> WELL, AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IS IT AN INJECTION STATION OR A METERING STATION? A CHEMICAL STORAGE AND INJECTION SECTION.
>> WHEN YOU APPROVED IT, DID YOU REALIZE IT WAS AN INJECTION STATION? DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT?
>> DOES IT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A MISTAKE?
>> I WOULD SAY BASED I'M NOT GOING TO QUESTION HIS THOUSAND FOOT NUMBER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO GO LOOK AT THE DATA.
BUT SO 1,000 FEET IF YOU DRAW THE CIRCLE AT 200 FEET, IT'S IN HER BACKYARD, IF YOU DRAW IT AT 1,000 FEET, IT'S IN OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TO THE GOLF COURSE.
IT'S IN THE ENTIRE NEW SECTION OF HURRICANE CREEK AND 250 GALLONS.
YOU'VE GOT A 275 GALLON CATCH CONTAINER.
WHAT IF IT'S 10 INCHES OF RAIN IN IT? IT'S NOT GOING TO LEAK OUT.
IF WE GET A BIG RAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO HOLD IT ALL, IT'S GOING TO OVERFLOW.
ITS DESIGNED NOT TO LEAK, IT'S DESIGNED TO CATCH IT.
WATER IS GOING TO STAY IN THERE TOO.
I DEALT WITH THIS IN THE PAST.
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, I PUT IT TO A 10 PERCENT OVER GENDER AND EXPECT IT'S GOING TO HOLD AN ENTIRE SECTION OF IT.
>> GUYS, EUROPEAN Z COMMITTEE HAS HEARD THIS TWICE AND UNANIMOUSLY VOTED IT DOWN TWICE.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR URBAN CROSSING?
>> YES. WHEN I DROVE URBAN CROSSING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ON THOSE SEVERAL HOUSES WERE FOR SALE IN THIS AREA.
I'M CURIOUS IF THAT WAS A PRE-EMPTIVE MOVE OR UNRELATED.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A, I'M SEEING HEADS NODDING. YES.
>> THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE RADIUS OF THIS, OF THE TOPIC TONIGHT THAT HAVE FOR SALE SIGNS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? URBAN CROSSING OR ATMOS? THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 07:42 P.M. COUNCIL, AT YOUR DISCUSSION, WE HAVE OUR STAFF HERE AS WELL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
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>> CAN YOU BRING YOU AND YOUR STAFF COME UP.
>> MAYOR COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. VERY AWESOME.
PARK CHIEF HAVEN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I'M CAPABLE OF ANSWERING.
>> AS ANYTHING NEW TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, LET'S SAY THE BUCKET TRUCK THAT WE SOON HAVE IN SERVICE, YOU HAVE TRAINING FOR, CORRECT?
>> ANYTHING NEW COMING WITHIN THE CITY THAT YOU ALWAYS WILL KNOW OF BECAUSE OUR STAFF COMMUNICATES WELL WITH EACH OTHER, SUCH AS THIS STATION THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.
YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS READY TO RESPOND?
>> YES. IF I DO HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER WHATEVER THAT IS COMING INTO THE SEA?
>> SEE IF I WANT TO ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE SO IN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS UNEQUIPPED TO HANDLE ANY TOXIC OUTBREAK, FIRE, ETC RELATED TO THIS INJECTION STATION.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE? LET US KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.
IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE ANSWER REALLY, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION BECAUSE THERE'S A BACKGROUND OF HOW FIRE DEPARTMENTS OPERATE AND THAT'S MUTUAL AID.
IF FOR INSTANCE, IF I WERE TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THE ARLINGTON FIRE TECHNICAL RESCUE, THEY HAVE A TECHNICAL RESCUE UNIT THAT'S FOR CONFINED SPACE, HIGH ANGLE TRENCH RESCUE, ETC.
CITY OF WILDLY FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE A HOVERCRAFT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
PRETTY COOL I ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN IT.
THEY RESPOND TO SWIFT WATER AND FLOODING EVENTS.
LOS ANGELES FIRE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS A REALLY COOL ONE.
THEY HAVE AN URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAM, WHICH RESPOND SPECIFICALLY TO STRUCTURAL COLLAPSES AND EXTRA CATIONS.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF DFW AIRPORTS, AIRCRAFT RESPONSE FIREFIGHTING VEHICLES ARE CALLED ARFF TRUCKS.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN ASHLEY'S AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE MCKINNEY HAS AN ARFF TRUCK FOR THEIR AIRPORT.
THEN FINALLY, HERE'S A PICTURE OF DALLAS'S HAZMAT RESPONSE VEHICLE.
NOW, THAT BEING SAID, NO FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN POSSIBLY, UNLESS YOU'RE THE NEW YORK FIRE DEPARTMENT OR BALTIMORE OR MAJOR CITY, COULD POSSIBLY INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE DISCIPLINES IN ONE DEPARTMENT.
WE RELY VERY HEAVILY ON MUTUAL AID.
THAT'S NORMAL IN OUR BUSINESS.
IT'S A NECESSARY PART OF WHAT WE DO.
NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE ENTIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT RESPOND TO AN AIRCRAFT CRASH IN OUR FIRE DISTRICT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO WE RESPONDED TO AN AIRCRAFT CRASH.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CALL THEM MCKINNEY OR DFW.
THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS THAT YES, WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO RESPOND TO.
WE ARE AN ALL HAZARDS DEPARTMENT.
WHEN PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, THEY GENERALLY CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE THE CATCH-ALL.
THIS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN OPERATING THIS WAY SINCE 1939.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PREVIOUS CHIEF IN THE ROOM, LARRY BRIDGES IS A PREVIOUS FIRE CHIEF HERE.
WE WILL RESPOND TO ANY EMERGENCY THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF RESPONDING TO AND CALL IN PROPER MUTUAL AID.
HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
>> IT'S CERTAINLY ASSURING CAN YOU GIVE ANY, WITHOUT GOING INTO GREAT DETAIL.
CAN YOU JUST GIVE A FIVE-POINT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, SAY THERE WAS A SPILL, SAY IT DID OR DID NOT CATCH FIRE.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE JUST A QUICK SCENARIO OF HOW OUR DEPARTMENT WOULD RESPOND TO THAT?
>> THERE ARE MANY CAVEATS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION A LOT OF, WHAT IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOING TO DO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS? WELL, WHEN I PUT MY FIRE MARSHAL HAD ON ONE OF MY FAVORITE ANSWERS IS, WELL, IT DEPENDS.
YOU HEAR FIRE MARSHALS SAY THAT A LOT.
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IT DEPENDS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES.ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A PINHOLE LEAK IN A 500-GALLON TANK OR A 55-GALLON TANK? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A FLOWING LEAK? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A FIRE THAT'S ACTIVELY BURNING, WHICH WAY IS THE WIND BLOWING? HOW, THERE'S SO MANY ASPECTS THAT AN INCIDENT COMMANDER HAS TO IMMEDIATELY INTAKE.
THE FIRST THING THAT WE WOULD DO IN ANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS IS WE WOULD RESPOND.
WE WOULD ASSESS THE SITUATION FROM A SAFE DISTANCE.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP OUR ERG BOOK, WHICH IS PRODUCED, WHICH IS A DOT, NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED RESPONSE HANDBOOK THAT GIVES US A GENERAL GUIDE.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DETERMINE WHAT PRODUCT IT IS.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD BE THIS CENTRAL GAS ODORANT PRODUCT, WHICH I BELIEVE GOES TO PAGE 130 OF THE ERG.
THAT DICTATES OUR INITIAL RESPONSE AS FAR AS FAR AS FIREFIGHTING.
AGAIN, IT'S SOLD HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON THE SITUATION.
IT'S HARD TO DO, WE COULD BE HERE ALL NIGHT SPLITTING HAIRS ON DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO AND THEN WE WOULD MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
IF WE NEEDED TO EVACUATE THE AREA, WE WOULD REFER TO THAT DOCUMENT.
THEN WE MAY GO ON TO A MORE PRECISE SYSTEM CALLED CAMEO.
WE WOULD LOOK AT VERY SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT WE WOULD, IF THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE DANGER, WE WOULD EVACUATE A CERTAIN AREA BASED ON THAT BOOK AND THEN WE WOULD MITIGATE THE HAZARD AND THEY WOULD CALL IN ASSISTANCE IF WE NEEDED.
>> SURE. CHIEF, YOU'RE A LOT OF THIS IS FOR OUR EDUCATION AS WELL AS FOR EVERYONE LISTENING.
YOU MENTIONED THE HANDBAG, YOU ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE PAGE AND YOU AND CHIEF WOOD AND PROBABLY A DOZEN OTHER PEOPLE UNDER YOUR COMMAND.
THIS IS SECOND NATURE TRAINING IN YOU'RE RESPONDING WITHIN SECONDS.
YOU'RE NOT GOOGLING HOW DO WE STOP A FIRE OF THIS MAGNITUDE? YOU'RE IN, JUST TO CAPITALIZE ON IT.
NEXT MONTH, YOU'RE SENDING SEVERAL OF YOUR PEOPLE AND PROBABLY YOURSELF TO GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING AS WELL SO THAT IT'S FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE. CORRECT?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT ALL OF MY STAFF HAVE ALREADY HAD THIS TRAINING.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SPECIFIC TRAINING AT LEAST FOUR TIMES IN MY CAREER.
THIS IS VERY NORMAL OPERATIONS ATMOS ANY UTILITY LIKE THIS, OFFERS TRAINING TO FIRST RESPONDERS, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, USUALLY ONCE OR TWICE PER YEAR, AND IT'S UP TO US IF WE WANT TO GO.
WE USUALLY SEND A COUPLE HERE, A COUPLE THERE, WHATEVER WE CAN AFFORD WITH OVERTIME COSTS, ETC.
IT'S A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
WE JUST GO THERE AND THEY EXPLAIN TO OUR GUYS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT OUR SITES LOOK LIKE.
THESE ARE THE MECHANICS INVOLVED, THIS IS THE MACHINERY INVOLVED.
THIS IS WHAT YOU DO UNTIL WE GET THERE.
IT'S MORE OR LESS THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO AND WHAT ARE THE SAFEST STEPS FOR US TO TAKE.
>> CHIEF, I'D GO INTO ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
I DON'T CONSIDER AS TO HAVE A PODUNK FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I CONSIDER US TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE WITH THE BIG BOYS.
IN THE MOST, IN THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS, THIS DEPARTMENT HAS CERTAINLY STEPPED UP ITS QUALITY AND WE'VE STEPPED UP THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU OPERATE WITH.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS UNREHEARSED. THANKS.
>> THANKS, CHIEF. I JUST GOT A QUICK ONE IN THE SPIRIT OF FAIRNESS.
SO I HAVE A 250-GALLON DRAMA FROM MERCAPTANS SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS THING AND SOME 36,000-POUND PASSENGER DRIVES THROUGH WHATEVER IT IS AND HITS THIS THING AND IT BLOWS UP, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IF THE UNLIKELY EVENT, HOWEVER THIS COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN, WOULD THE DAMAGE FROM THAT PARTICULAR EXPLOSION IN THE CATEGORY 2, WHAT WOULD IT AFFECT? CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE OF THAT, BALLPARK IT? IS THE SCHOOL IN TROUBLE? IS THE GAS LINE IN TROUBLE? IS THERE A LOT OF, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
>> AS FAR AS THE GAS LINE BEING IN TROUBLE, ATMOS WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I'M SURE THERE'S A FAIL-SAFE VALVE THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY CLOSE.
THE DEFLAGRATION OR DETONATION OF
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THE MATERIAL IN A FIRE SITUATION WOULD MOST LIKELY CONSUME THAT MATERIAL.NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE BIGGEST EXPLOSION THAT I'VE EVER BEEN AROUND WERE BLASTING CAPS.
I'VE INVESTIGATED MURIATIC ACID BOMBS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A MAJOR DETONATION PIPELINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A NATURAL GAS EXPLOSION OR BEEN CLOSE TO ANY OF THOSE.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, I'M SURE THERE'S A CALCULATION YOU CAN DO OF WHAT WIDESPREAD THAT WOULD BE.
BUT IT SHOULD BE CONSUMED PRETTY RAPIDLY.
>> NEXT SPEAKER REAL QUICK CHIEF, TO YOUR DEPARTMENT'S CAPABILITIES IF A LIQUID LIKE THIS IS ON FIRE.
YOU CARRY FOAM ON YOUR TRUCKS?
WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE COMPRESSED AIR FOAM ON OUR RESERVE ENGINE TOO.
>> CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL AND URBAN CROSSING FOLKS, ANYONE WHO IS LISTENING THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT MERCAPTANS OR GAS LINES.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T SPRAY WATER ON THAT AND WHY AND WHY WE HAVE FOAM [OVERLAPPING] GETS ONTO THE FIRE.
>> THE FOAM, WHICH IS A TRIPLE A GENERALLY OR SOME VARIATION OF THIS AQUEOUS FILM-FORMING FOAM.
JUST LIKE AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IT CREATES A VAPOR BARRIER ON THE TOP OF THE SURFACE OF THE LIQUID WHICH SEPARATES THE OXYGEN OR HEAT FROM THAT LIQUID, WHICH EFFECTIVELY SMOTHERS IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD USE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IF IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH LEAK, IF IT'S A SIMPLE DRIP OR SOMEONE OVERFILLED THE TANK AND WE LOST FIVE GALLONS AND IT ENDED UP IN THE SECONDARY CONTAINMENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SITUATION.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY SUPPRESS THIS.
OR IF IT WAS NOT ON FIRE, YOU COULD PUT DRY CHEMICAL ON IT.
>> BUT YOUR ENGINES CARRY ENOUGH FOAM TO SMOTHER IT, A 250-GALLON?
>> COUNCIL, HAVE YOU RESPONDED TO ANY TYPES OF ACCIDENTS INVOLVING THESE TYPES OF AREAS? TELL ME WHAT YOUR OPINION IS.
THIS TYPE OF GAS VERSUS THE METHYL MERCAPTAN.
>> I'VE NEVER DEALT WITH METHYL MERCAPTAN.
I'LL JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. LET ME PREFACE IT.
I'VE BEEN A FIREFIGHTER FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW IN MOSTLY LARGE DEPARTMENTS.
WHAT CHIEF WAS SAYING IS LEGIT.
IF WE WORK IN MCKINNEY, BIG DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T HAVE A HAZMAT TEAM WE CALL PLANO FOR A HAZMAT TEAM.
IF WE HAVE A PERSON DROWN IN TOWNE LAKE OFF OF 75, WE DON'T HAVE A DIVE TEAM.
WE WOULD CALL LEWISVILLE FOR A POTENTIAL BODY RECOVERED.
WE HAVE A SWIFT WATER TEAM THAT PEOPLE CALL US FOR POTENTIALLY ANNA.
WE HAVE A HIGH ANGLE RESCUE TEAM FOR ROPE RESCUE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SPECIALIZED AREAS THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR CITY AND FOR MUTUALLY RESPONSES.
I'VE NEVER GONE ON ANY TYPE OF MERCAPTANS EXPLOSION, ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE RUNNING INTO A TANK LIKE THIS.
THE MAJORITY OF PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN A CITY LIKE MCKINNEY ARE EXCAVATIONS WHEN DEVELOPING, A BULLDOZER HITS A BIG LINE.
YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S A BIG LEAK.
BUT EVEN WHEN WE'RE THERE, WE ARE CONTACTING ATMOS EN ROUTE TO THE CALL SO THAT THEY CAN PLUG THE LEAK AND SHUT OFF THE LINE WHILE THEY DO THAT.
WE'RE ONLY OUT THERE IF ONE OF THEM WAS TO FALL INTO THE DITCH AND BE INJURED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER ONES THAT WE DEAL WITH ARE SMALL GAS METERS BEHIND HOUSES IN ALLEYS WHERE PEOPLE BACK OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY AND KNOCK IT OVER WITH THEIR CAR.
AGAIN, THAT IS GAS BUT THE VEHICLE, IT DOES NOT EXPLODE.
I MEAN WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF WHAT IFS HERE THAT HAD TO HAPPEN TO GET THIS TO BLOW UP AND HAVE THE PROBLEM.
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CARS BACK THEM OVER.I'VE SEEN THEM KNOCKING THE ENTIRE METER OVER, AND WE HAVE A LEAK JUST SPEWING INTO THE AIR AND MERCAPTAN IS THERE TO TELL US THAT WE HAVE THE LEA, IS THE DEODORIZATION UNLESS WE HAVE A LEAK.
AGAIN, WE SHOW UP THERE IF WE HAVE MATERIALS ON OUR TRUCKS THAT CAN PLUG THE LEAKS, WE USED TO CARRY BIG RUBBERIZED CONTAINERS THAT WE COULD PLUG THE LEAK.
RIGHT NOW WE JUST STAY ON SCENE UNTIL ATMOS GETS THERE AND IT SHUT IT OFF AND WE LET THE HOMEOWNER KNOW.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE FOLKS IN URBAN CROSSING OR ANYBODY ELSE HAVE INTENTIONALLY MISLED THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC.
BUT I DO THINK INADVERTENTLY, THEY HAVE MADE THE ASSUMPTION FOR OTHER ANNA RESIDENTS THAT THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THAT MANNER CANNOT HANDLE THIS TYPE OF A PROBLEM.
THIS DEPARTMENT, 1,000 PERCENT IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING ANY SITUATION THROWN AT THEM.
I REALLY TAKE A LOT OF DEFENSE THAT WHEN WE SAY THAT, ANNA'S SMALL AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE STATION, SO THESE GUYS CAN'T HANDLE IT, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
THESE GUYS ARE TOTALLY CAPABLE, TOTALLY PREPARED.
WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE AMBULANCE SERVICE NOW, SO WE HAVE ALL TRAINED PARAMEDICS THAT CAN RESPOND TO ANY TYPE OF MERCAPTAN ISSUE AGAIN, I'VE BEEN ON A LOT OF MERCAPTAN LEAKS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY PERSON COMPLAINING OF SKIN ISSUES, INHALATION ISSUES THAT HAVE REQUIRED TRANSPORTATION TO THE HOSPITAL.
BUT IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE, AGAIN, THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF ASSESSING THAT TYPE OF SITUATION AND TREATING IT.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT ANYONE IN THE CITY SHOULD FEEL UNSAFE OR UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT GAS LINES IN THIS CITY OR METERING STATIONS OR CHEMICAL INJECTION SITES FOR THAT MATTER AND CONCERN ABOUT THIS DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE THING.
I DO THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS TAKEN A LOT OF UNPRECEDENTED ACTION HERE BY VOTING SIX NOTHING BACK IN NOVEMBER.
REALIZED THAT WE MADE MISTAKES, THAT PROCEDURES WERE WRONG, CHANGING THEM AND THEN GIVING THE FOLKS OF URBAN CROSSING THE RIGHT TO GET IT BACK ON THE AGENDA.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SAYING THAT, I'M NOT LECTURING.
I'M JUST SAYING, BY US DOING THAT, IT'S ALSO CREATED A LOT OF FALSE RHETORIC AND A LOT OF FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING.
I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS WHAT CAUSED IT.
IN A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S JUST BY FEAR OR NOT KNOWING THE FACTS OF THE MATTER. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON IT.
>> THANK YOU, RANDY. MAYOR, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7A.
>> HOLD ON A SECOND. ARE WE GOOD WITH CHIEF? WE HAD TO CLOSE THE
>> SO IT IS CLOSED? JUST MAKING SURE.
>> MAYOR WE GO WITH CHIEF ISSEL. THANK YOU, CHIEF.
>> WELL, I'M NATURALLY CYNICAL BECAUSE I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN.
ANYTIME SOMEBODY WALKS INTO A ROOM AND SAYS SOMETHING TO ME AND THEY SAY, I DON'T KNOW, I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T KNOW.
I'M LOOKING AT PROBABLY I'M GUESSING I'M GOING TO TRY AND AGE YOU GUYS AT ATMOS, BUT PROBABLY 100 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE UP HERE AND YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU DON'T KNOW.
NOW, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SAID THAT WE MAY HAVE DROPPED THE BALL. THAT'S GREAT.
BUT NOW WE HAVE ALL OF THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP AND I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK YOU ALL ARE DISHONEST.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE IGNORANT.
I MIGHT THINK YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT APATHETIC ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH UP HERE BECAUSE YOU ALL DROPPED THE BALL.
NOW, I DON'T LIKE TO CRITICIZE PEOPLE PUBLICLY, BUT IT'S NOT MY JOB.
IT'S NOT THE JOB OF THIS COUNCIL UP HERE TO TRY TO RECTIFY WHAT YOU ALL DID NOT DO.
I BROUGHT UP ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THESE GUYS UNDERSTOOD.
BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN UP HERE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY HAD A PROBLEM, WE REQUIRED IT ALMOST MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LIVE HERE.
THESE PEOPLE ARE AGGRAVATED WITH THE WHOLE SITUATION.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT SUGGESTION AND THEN CAN PICK YOURS OR HOWEVER THIS WORKS.
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CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH IF I WERE TO AMEND THE SUP, HOW THAT WOULD WORK, CLARK?>> WELL, IF YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF PLACING CONDITIONS ON THE GRADIENT OF AN SUP AND POTENTIALLY MAKE SOME OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TONIGHT, A REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING, SO YOU DO HAVE THAT OPTION?
>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE METERING STATION.
I DON'T THINK THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CROSSING HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE METERING STATION, THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE INJECTION SITE.
I WANT TO AMEND THE SUP TO NOT ALLOW CHEMICAL STORAGE ON THAT SITE.
>> THAT WOULD JUST FEEL [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, THERE IS A MOTION PENDING.
THERE IS NO SECOND ON THAT YET.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT, YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND STATE THE PARTICULARS OF HOW YOU WRITE THAT AMENDED.
IF YOU'D BE TO ELIMINATE ANY USE OF ANY GAS STORAGE TANK, WE COULD PUT THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
>> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I WOULDN'T EVEN AMEND AN SUP.
THE WHOLE REASON THEY'RE CLEARLY DOING THIS AS A CHEMICAL INJECTION SITE THERE.
>> BUT THEY CAN GO FURTHER UP THE LINE.
>> THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO. THAT MAY BE TRUE.
>> I'M JUST NERVOUS ABOUT WHY WE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF I DON'T KNOW.
THAT JUST MAKES ME NERVOUS. WHEN YOU HAD [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU HAD A WHOLE LOT OF I KNOW BECAUSE IT GETS YOU, SO AT THE END, I FORGOT YOUR NAME.
HE'S THE PUBLIC RELATIONS GUY.
HE BROUGHT THE 1890S ACTUALLY THE LAST TIME THEY WERE HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, HE HAD HALF THOSE GUYS HERE.
WE GOT ANSWERS THAT NIGHT THAT MADE ME FEEL, I'VE ALREADY VOTED YES ON THIS FOR THE SECOND TIME, I WOULD HAVE VOTED YES AGAIN LAST TIME.
NOW THEY BROUGHT MORE EXPERTS.
NOW WE KNOW, I DON'T SEE THEM.
THEY CAN'T JUST DO THE METERING STATIONS.
>> WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND [OVERLAPPING]
>> WOULD YOU FIND WHERE IS THE ONE THAT WE APPROVE ON THE OTHER SIDE?
>> [NOISE] HEY. THERE IS NO NEED TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT, FACTUAL INFORMATION DISCUSSION.
>> YOU AND I WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION, IT WAS A MONTH OR SO AGO ABOUT THE INCIDENT WHERE THAT I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THE PARTICULARS, BUT THE THING IN PENNSYLVANIA WHERE THE RAILROAD BLEW UP AND YOU SAID THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT.
I CAN'T SIT HERE AND KNOW WHETHER THERE'S TRANSPARENCY OR NOT.
BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION WHY NOW? NOW I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SHIFTING OF THE GOAL POST BECAUSE MAYBE THERE WAS JUST SOME INFORMATION THEY FLAT OUT DIDN'T KNOW.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT AT SOME PARTICULAR POINT.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT JUST LOOKS LIKE, WELL, OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO SHOVE ALL THIS INFORMATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE IS FANTASTIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY LEAVE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. BUT NOW, I'M JUST WONDERING.
>> WONDERING ABOUT WHAT THOUGH, THE PROCEDURE OR IS THE [OVERLAPPING].
THEY'VE BEEN USING SOME FORM OR CAPTAIN.
I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT MY CAPTAIN THAN I REALLY WOULD EVER HAVE THOUGHT THAT I WOULD HAVE CARED TO KNOW SINCE 1935.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF STUDIES THAT JUST I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO READ INTO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT IS THE LONG TERM OF THESE THINGS. I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, THE METERING STATION IS FINE BUT WHY USE THIS AS A GUINEA PIG SITUATION? IF WE MADE A MISTAKE ON THE OTHER ONE, THEN WE'VE GOT TO FIX THAT.
>> ISN'T A GUINEA PIG SITUATION.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME BUILDING ONE OF THESE.
WHAT'S THE UNITS OF US PUTTING ONE NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THEY PUTTING ONE IN AN INDUSTRIAL SITE WHERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORK AND THERE'S FORKLIFTS, A LOT MORE HEAVIER EQUIPMENT DRIVING AROUND THERE? WHAT'S THAT DIFFERENCE?
>> I'M NOT SURE, AND THAT'S MY PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW.
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BUT I KNOW I HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY UPSET AND YOU'RE ONE OF THE PROPONENTS OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO WERE UPSET.SO I'M LISTENING PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET.
>> BUT I'M ALSO ONE OF THE PROPONENT UPSET.
I'M UP HERE FOR 24,000 PEOPLE.
>> WE ALL. BUT SOMETIMES, I DON'T HAVE TO LIVE NECK I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
IF IT WAS IN MY BACKYARD, I'D PROBABLY BE OUT HERE TOO.
>> WE ALL SMELL THE TRASH IN THE CITY OF ANNA.
I HAVE A SEWAGE LINE RUNNING BEHIND MY HOUSE.
I'M GOING TO SMELL SOMETHING, A GAS SMELL MORE THAN URBAN CROSSING THAT WILL.
>> WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS LINE IS GOING TO SERVE.
IT'S GOING TO SERVE OUR GROWING CITY, OUR COMMERCIAL THAT'S GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN 75.
THE HOSPITAL THAT COULD BE EVENTUALLY RIGHT THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE YOU FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT PLACE TO INJECT IT.
YES. THE LAND WAS GIFTED TO THEM.
BUT THAT'S THE SAME DEVELOPER GIFTED THE ANNA SCHOOL DISTRICT EVEN MORE LAND FOR A SCHOOL.
>> YOU BELIEVE THEM WHICH IS FAIR?
>> YES, I BELIEVE. THEY DO THIS FOR A LIVING.
>> I KNOW. [LAUGHTER] I ALSO BELIEVE IN OUR FIRE CHIEF, IN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WILL PROTECT THE CITY.
>> AGAIN, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT.
I'M JUST ARGUING WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD AND WHAT EVIDENCE DO I KNOW.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, I WISH ALL THOSE EIGHT GUYS WOULD HAVE SHOWED UP THE VERY FIRST NIGHT THAT IT WAS ON PNG, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.
NOW THEY'RE HERE, THEY WERE HERE LAST MEETING.
I WOULD'VE BEEN FINE WITH IT THEN AND I'M FINE WITH IT NOW.
>> I THINK WOULD COUNCILLOR MILLER SAYING GIVEN AS THAT, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE HAD SIX DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESENT TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
>> BUT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT.
WE'RE VOTING ON PUTTING A METERING STATION NOW.
WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> NO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PROCESS INVOLVE THEM COMING IN FRONT OF US ASKING FOR THE CHEMICAL INJECTION STATION, CORRECT?
>> ORIGINALLY, WOULD IT NOT HAVE ALL OF THE ITEMS THEY SHOW TONIGHT? WOULD IT NOT SHOW DRIP PANS AND LIQUIDS AND CONTAINER SIZE?
>> THEY OWNED UP TO IT. THEY MIGHT [OVERLAPPING]
>> UNDERSTAND. I KNOW WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS WHAT LEAH SAYING IS THAT THE PROCESS WITH AT MOST SIX TIMES LATER, AND BY THE WAY, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT P AND Z VOTED IT DOWN SIX NOTHING BOTH TIMES.
THEY NEVER HEARD THIS PRESENTATION.
WE'RE ASSUMING THEY WOULD VOTE IT DOWN. AGAIN.
I WILL AGREE WITH LEE, I DON'T TRUST THE SITUATION.
I DON'T LIKE THAT NOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT FOR A FINALITY AND THIS IS THE PRESENTATION THAT WE DID.
BECAUSE THEY KNEW TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN THEY CAME TO P&Z THAT IT WAS GOING TO GET SENT TO US REGARDLESS OF HOW P&Z VOTED AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP AND PRESENTED THEM.
>> BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? DO WE RECALL THEM TOO? DO WE BRING THEM BACK AND STOP THAT ONE?
>> IT'S [OVERLAPPING] CERTAINLY SET THE PRECEDENT THAT WE CAN.
>> I FORGET WHAT THE COMPANY IT WAS. IT'S NOT ATMOS.
ATMOS IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST GAS COMPANY I KNOW FOR SURE IN TEXAS. CAN WE STOP [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK WHERE THE MISCONCEPTION IS WHERE AT THE CITY LEVEL.
I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS SAID IF YOU-ALL DO THIS, I'M GOING TO GO FIGHT IT AT TCQ AND WHEREVER WITH THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ARE THE LOCAL LEVEL.
WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS THE ACCESS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THEM TO PUT THAT THERE.
AS FAR AS WHAT THE STATE LAW ALLOWS AND WHAT THE COMMISSION ALLOWS FOR ATMOS AND WHAT THEIR AUTHORITIES IN THEIR POWERS ARE, IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT FIGHT FOR EVERY ONE OF YOU OUT THERE, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK ALSO NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED TONIGHT.
THERE ARE MORE EMINENT POWERS AT B
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THAT ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT ANY OF US CAN VOTE ON HERE TONIGHT.WITH THAT BEING SAID, FOR ME IN THIS PROCESS, I DO AGREE.
I AGREE THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN REAL SLOPPY AND REAL MESSY.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE URBAN CROSSING IS COMING FROM TOO.
A LOT OF IT YES IS THE FEAR OF WHAT IS BEING INJECTED AT THIS CHEMICAL SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS EXACTLY I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE SITTING.
YOU BUILT NICE HOMES ON ONE ACRE LOTS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF THE TREES SHED THEIR LEAVES, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A CHEMICAL INJECTION SITE.
I KNOW IT IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ALL FEEL AND I KNOW HOW I WOULD FEEL.
WE ALSO HAVE 130 MILE TRANSMISSION LINE THAT A COUPLE OF FEET UNDER THAT GROUND IS RIGHT UNDER ALL OF YOUR HOUSES, RIGHT NEXT TO IT, PARALLEL AND WE HAVE AN ODORLESS LINE.
NOW WHAT I'M FOCUSED ON IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE PUMPED INTO THIS THING IS HIGHLY TOXIC EXPLOSIVE GAS.
I'M LEARNING TONIGHT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S A LIQUID FORM THAT'S HIGHLY FLAMMABLE.
I AGREE IF THE VAPORS SPILL JUST LIKE IF I TURN ON MY GAS STOVE AND LEAVE IT RUNNING ALL DAY IN THE HOUSE, ALMOST SMELL SOME MERCAPTANS AND I CAN PROBABLY BLOW MYSELF UP OR KILL MYSELF WITH CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING.
THAT'S ALL POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT COMES INTO MY HOUSE NOW.
NOW IT'S BACK TO THE SAFETY DISCUSSION.
SAFETY DISCUSSION OF CAN IT BLOW UP? WELL, I'M SURE IT CAN IF A CEMENT TRUCK CAN MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH THE PILLARS I'M LOOKING AT ON THIS DESIGN ALONG WITH 10 FOOT.
FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT IT WAS 6-8 FOOT MASONRY WALL BUILT WITH BRICK.
THESE ARE CONCRETE TILT PANELS THAT WILL GO UP ALONG WITH THESE PILLARS IN-BETWEEN.
I'VE HEARD ANALOGY SET UP HERE.
I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO USE ONE OTHER THAN THE BIGGEST FEAR ANY OF US SHOULD HAVE ABOUT SOMEBODY HITTING THAT CONCRETE WALL IS PROBABLY NOT AN EXPLOSION.
IT'S THAT A CHILD OR A FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW CLOSE TO YOU HAS JUST DIED BY HITTING A CONCRETE WALL.
THAT PART AS FAR AS THE SCREENING, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING HOW THE ACTUAL SCREENING WALL IS GOING TO BE BUILT AROUND THIS, DOES MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT NOW IS A SLIDE I'VE BEEN STARING AT FOR 30 MINUTES ABOUT THE METHYL MERCAPTAN IS A TOXIC GAS AND THE CENTENNIAL GAS ODORANT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS BEING SAID GOING TO BE INJECTED INTO THE PIPELINE.
IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'RE DANGEROUS ARE LISTED.
ON THE SAME SLIDE IS WHAT MR. BRANSON PROVIDED FROM CHEVRON.
THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME DIAGRAM HERE.
IT DOES CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS HOW SAFE IS IT.
I GET IT. LOOK, IT'S A GAS LINE, FOLKS.
GAS IS FLAMMABLE AND GAS CAN EXPLODE.
THE MERCAPTAIN IS IN THE LINE TO HELP YOU SMELL THE THING BEFORE YOU BLOW UP. BUT I GET IT.
LIKE I SAID, I LIVE IN A NATURAL GAS HOME IN THE CITY OF ANNA AND HAVE FOR YEARS NOW.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT NATURAL GAS IS, I UNDERSTAND THE DANGERS OF NATURAL GAS.
WHAT WAS SLOPPY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A CHEMICAL INJECTION COMPONENT IS AND HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO SAFETY? WELL, THERE'S A DISCLOSURE ON EVERYTHING YOU EVER TOUCH FROM PROPANE TANKS AT WALMART TO THE LITTLE COLEMAN THINGS, TO MERCAPTANS, TO GAS LINES.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN.
THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, NOT WITH NATURAL GAS, PERIOD.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT ARE WE PUTTING IN THE LINE? HOW LONG DOES THIS LINE HAVE TO BE THERE IF IT'S GOT TO BE ODORIZED, COULD IT BE MOVED DOWN THE ROAD? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IN ALL OF THIS.
BUT I'M ALSO SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S BACK TO, I DON'T CONTROL THE REGULATION OF ATMOS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH TCEQ AND THE [NOISE] PERMISSIONS THAT REGULATE THEM AT A HIGHER LEVEL.
I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY PUT IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANYBODY THEY WANT TO.
SURPRISE THEY HADN'T THREATENED TO USE THAT.
I KNOW WHAT THEY WILL DO IF THEY NEED TO ODORIZE THAT LINE.
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I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A VERY FRUSTRATING PROCESS ALL THE WAY AROUND AND I HOPE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL LEARNS FROM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE LEARNED.IT'S TAKEN SIX MEETINGS TO GET TO A PRESENTATION WHERE NOW I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I CAN LOOK AT THAT'S PROVIDED BY BOTH URBAN CROSSING, AND AN ATMOS THAT ACTUALLY MATCH IN NATURE NOW.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT TWO FORMS IN FRONT OF ME AND A SLIDE THAT ALL MATCH, WHICH HELPS QUITE A BIT.
BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE MAD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, FOLKS, NEIGHBORS, DEVELOPERS, ATMOS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT HAPPY REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYBODY DOES.
I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO JUST TAKE EVERYTHING YOU'VE HEARD OVER SIX MEETINGS, MAKE THE BEST DECISION YOU CAN.
IF THERE'S MOTIONS MADE AND THERE'S SECONDS TONIGHT, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF INFO, HEARD THIS A LOT OF TIMES.
THEY'RE STARTING TO BECOME SOME EMOTION UP HERE ON THE DICE.
UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL OBJECTS, IF WE VOTE ON SOMETHING, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS FOR EVERYBODY TO CALM DOWN.
NOBODY GETS MAD AT EVERYBODY UP HERE, WHATEVER GOES ON.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU. USE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU TO VOTE.
USE WHAT YOU'VE COLLECTED OVER SIX MEETINGS NOW TO VOTE.
DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS BEST. THE VOTE IS A VOTE.
BUT I COULD SIT UP HERE ALL NIGHT AND HEAR THESE ARGUMENTS BACK-AND-FORTH.
THE WHOLE THING IS FRUSTRATING.
BUT HALF OF IT IS SAFETY AND HALF OF IT IS I DON'T WANT IT IN MY BACKYARD AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T BLAME ANYBODY HERE FOR THOSE REASONS.
>> COUNCILMAN TOAD HAS A HAS A MOTION TO APPROVE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> AS A POINT OF ORDER, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM, I THINK IS NOT PROPER.
IF THE MOTION IS TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION.
BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE IS ON THAT ITEM WOULD BE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE IN SOME WAY OR APPEAL IT.
BUT IF YOU WANT IT TO STAY INTACT, IF THAT'S THE INTENTION, IF YOU WANT TO UPHOLD IT AND NOT HAVE ANY CHANGES TO IT, MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, THEN THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION.
NOBODY HAS SECONDED YOUR MOTION.
>> WE DO HAVE THE WORD UPHOLD IN THE MOTION.
>> YOU COULD AMEND THE ORDINANCE IN SOME WAY UP HOLD IT, BUT IT WOULD BE A CLEANER.
>> SOMEBODY STATE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
>> YEAH. THAT'S THE THING YOU WOULD [OVERLAPPING] SPECIFY WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE EXACTLY AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DROP THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I KNOW WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS, BUT IF IT IS TO JUST LEAVE THE ORDINANCE ALONE IN PLACE WITH THE SUP THAT ALLOWS FOR THE METERING STATION AND DEODORIZERS, IT WOULD BE EMOTIONALLY TAKE NO ACTION IS WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED.
NOBODY HAS SECONDED YOUR MOTION, SO YOU COULD MAKE THAT CHANGE AND FIX IT.
>> THEN I'LL FIND MY MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION AND LEAVE IT AS IS.
>> NOW AT WHAT POINT ARE WE DISCUSSING AN AMENDMENT IF THEY'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT AT THAT POINT?
>> IF THIS MOTION PASSES, THERE WILL BE NO AMENDMENT.
>> AFTER THIS VOTE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS AND THEN IF WE NEED TO COME BACK AND START ANOTHER ROUND OF DISCUSSIONS AND MOTIONS, WE'LL DO SO.
THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY KEVIN, CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION?
>> I'LL TAKE NO ACTION AND WOULD UPHOLD THE CURRENT SUP.
>> BASICALLY, IF THAT MOTION PASSES, THE SUP WOULDN'T MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS?
>> YES. IF THE MOTION IS TO TAKE NO ACTION, THEN THE ORDINANCE WILL STAND AS IT EXISTS NOW.
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THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR VOTE.>> THAT MOTION HAS FAILED 3-4, WE WILL TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS AND COME BACK.
THE MEETING AGAIN AT 08:35 PM.
AS EVERYBODY JUST SAW THE PRIOR MOTION AND SECOND WAS VOTED ON AND THAT FAILED.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THIS.
AFTER THE FIRST MEETING, THE DAY AFTER THE P&Z MEETING WHEN WE HEARD FROM YOU ALL THE FIRST TIME.
RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE AGREED TO DO IS TAKE IT BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
OUR LEGAL COUNSEL HAS REMINDED ME THIS EVENING THAT WE AS A GROUP NEED TO COME TO SOME CONCLUSION ON WHETHER WE FLAT-OUT DENY AN SUP OR IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING, IF SOMETHING'S AMENDED BUT TAKING NO ACTION TONIGHT, THE PERMIT IS STILL ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE URBAN CROSSING UNDERSTANDS THAT AS WELL.
AS IT STANDS NOW, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN VOTED ON, AND HAS BEEN APPROVED.
WE'RE VOTING ON AMENDMENTS TO AN EXISTING APPROVED ITEM SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL'S AWARE OF THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON ANYTHING.
I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT HERE, IF THAT AMENDMENT FAILS AND THERE'S NO OTHER AMENDMENT, IT'LL HAPPEN.
IT'S A DONE DEAL, SO JUST TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE TO AMEND ORDINANCE NUMBER 1014-2022 TO STATE THAT NOTWITHSTANDING ANY PROVISION OF THE ORDINANCE OR ANY ATTACHMENTS [LAUGHTER] TO THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE AND SUP WILL ONLY ALLOW A METERING STATION AND NOT INCLUDE AN AUTORIZER OR ASSOCIATED GAS STORAGE TANK.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.
LEE ASKED ONE PRIOR ON THE LAST VOTE, SO YEAH YOU GET ONE AS WELL.
>> WILL YOU ALLOW US TO ASK ATMOS ONE MORE QUESTION TO CLARIFY THIS AMENDMENT?
THE AMENDMENT WAS MADE FOR ATMOS TO PLACE A METERING STATION.
LET ME MAKE THIS COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL.
I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.
ATMOS, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS ARE.
URBAN CROSSING, YOU NEED TO LEARN WHAT THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS ARE AND YOU ALL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
THERE CAN BE A GAS METERING STATION, WE'RE NOT GRANTING THEM AND SUP FOR THE CHEMICAL INJECTION SITE BUT I HAVE A FEELING THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT SOME MORE CAPTAIN IN THAT LINE AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
WE WILL [NOISE] MOVE ON TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ACTING AS THE ANNA PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS CONSIDER, DISCUSS ACT ON APPROVING THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH LIBERTY MULTI-FAMILY [OVERLAPPING] FOR A SENIOR LIVING MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, RESOLUTIONS OF PROVING THE FORMATION OF ENTITIES ALONG WITH CORRESPONDING LLC AGREEMENTS TO SERVE IN THE FOLLOWING CAPACITIES IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
APFC RESERVE AT ANNA GP, LLC TO SERVE AS GENERAL PARTNER OF THE TO BE FORMED PARTNERSHIP THAT WILL OWN AND DEVELOP THE PROJECT.
APFC RESERVE AT ANNA HOLDINGS LLC TO
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ACQUIRE AND HOLD FEE TITLE TO THE LAND UPON WHICH PROJECT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.THIS IS LONG [LAUGHTER] INTO ENTER INTO A GROUND LEASE WITH PARTNERSHIP AND APFC RESERVE OF ANNA DEVELOPMENT, LLC TO SERVE HIS CO-DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. MR. CHRIS.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL AND PFC BOARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, PRESIDENT CARVER, VICE-PRESIDENT P. CANE.
THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE YOU LAST YEAR TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS OF BONDS.
AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, WE HAVE THESE PROJECTS THAT GO THROUGH THIS ENTITY.
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS WAS THIS BODY OF PROVING THEIR APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH TO VOTE.
THEY DID RECEIVE THEIR ALLOCATION FROM THE STATE SO THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT AS A SENIOR LIVING PROJECT THAT WILL BE LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 121 AND IT WILL BE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE AT 2862.
IT WILL BE A 200 UNIT SENIOR LIVING FACILITY.
THIS IS A PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN OF THE BELLEVUE, APPROXIMATELY 67 ACRES THERE AT THE CORNER, THAT WILL INCLUDE SOME COMMERCIAL AT SOME POINT ON THE FRONT EDGE OF 121, AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL PLANS, SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, SOME CASINOS, AND DIFFERENT PRODUCT THERE [NOISE] BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL BE ONE BUILDING.
I BELIEVE IT'LL BE A FOUR-STORY BUILDING THERE, JUST SOUTH OF G2 MOTORSPORTS RANCH IN THE WESTMINSTER AREA.
CURRENTLY, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE ETJ, SO AS A PART OF THE PROJECT THEY WILL ANNEX INTO THE CITY AS A PART OF THEIR PROCESS.
THEY HAVE A FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS YEAR SO THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WHAT THIS IS TONIGHT, IT'S A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PROJECTS INCLUDING PALLADIUM EAST FOSTER CROSSING, AS WELL AS PARMORE SENIOR LIVING IN ANNA TOWN SQUARE.
WHAT THIS DOES IS IT SETS THE PARAMETERS OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER.
IT ALSO LAYS OUT THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WE GET.
AS YOU KNOW, WE GET FEES, WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $1.7 MILLION PLUS THERE WILL BE ALL OF THE CITY IMPACT FEES THAT WE'LL RECEIVE AS A PART OF THE PROJECT.
WE WILL BE RECEIVING THAT ONCE THEY FILE FOR PERMITS BUT THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PROCESS, TO GET US AN MOU, AS WELL AS SOME RESOLUTIONS THAT THE MAYOR READ.
AS CO-DEVELOPER JUST LAYS OUT THE GROUNDWORK AND THEN AT SOME POINT THIS WILL CLOSE THIS SUMMER AND THEN THIS PROJECT WILL LIKELY START CONSTRUCTION, AS I SAID, PROBABLY SOMETIME [NOISE] AROUND SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE OUR SECOND SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, AS YOU KNOW, PARMORE SENIOR IS IN ANNA TOWN SQUARE WILL BE OPENING LATER THIS SUMMER.
THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT PROJECTS AS OUR POPULATION GROWS, THE SENIOR POPULATION IS GROWING.
SOME OF US ARE GETTING THERE TO THAT 55.
IT'S BECOMING A CRITICAL PIECE FOR OUR POPULATION AS LOTS OF PEOPLE MOVE TO DFW WITH THE NUMBER ONE REGION IN GROWTH RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO MOVE THEIR PARENTS TO THE AREA SO THESE SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES ARE CRITICAL.
WHAT HELPS US ONE IS AGAIN, WITH A RENTAL RATES BEING A LITTLE BIT LOWER BECAUSE IT'S PFC PROJECTS THAT WILL HELP SENIORS WHICH ARE MOST VULNERABLE, ESPECIALLY IN TIMES OF INFLATION AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
BRICK MARKETS, AS YOU KNOW, BEEN OUT OF CONTROL SO THIS IS A KEY NEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, THIS IS APPROVING AN MOU AND LAYING THE FOUNDATION WITH THE RESOLUTIONS WITH ANNA APFC.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I MOVE. WE APPROVE.
>> STAN, YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF ANNA FACILITY COOPERATION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE BY B. MILLER AND SECOND BY THE PRESIDENT STAN CARVER?
>> [OVERLAPPING] CONSIDER DISCUSS ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE PURCHASE ORDERS NOT TO EXCEED 345,000 OF WALPACK CONSTRUCTION UNDER COLLIN COUNTY PURCHASING COOPERATIVE CONTRACT.
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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEVE SMITH I'M INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
FIRST, THIS STREETS, RBE6, WEST 5TH, AND EASTERN.
THESE STREETS WERE SELECTED BECAUSE THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT REQUIRE ANY UNDERGROUND WORK AND UTILITIES.
IT'S JUST PAVING AND WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
THERE ARE OTHER STREETS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE SIMILAR, WORSE CONDITION, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PAVE THOSE NOW.
I HAVE TO TURN THEM UP WITH THE UTILITY PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE COVERED.
WITH THAT IF YOU HAVE ANYMORE QUESTIONS HAPPY TO ANSWER.
>> I HAVE ONE. QUALITY OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR HAS BEEN BY THIS CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN UP TO PAR?
>> YES. WALPACK HAS BEEN CONTRACTOR FOR THE CITY OF ANNA FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
THEY'VE DONE REALLY GOOD WORK IN AREAS.
>> MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 17,.
>> MOTION APPROVED BY COUNCILMAN TOTEN.
>> SECOND BY THE MAYOR PRO TEAM. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> THE D. FINLEY BOULEVARD. MR. HNDERSON.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO ASK THE CIP MANAGER, JUSTIN CLAY CAN COME UP, AND AS HE COMES UP, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO THIS ITEM.
ON MARCH 23RD, 2023 THIS YEAR, WE ISSUED MEMO 23121 STATUS OF ROAD PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES IN THE CITY.
WE KNOW THAT AS WE APPROACH 24,000, MOVING PEOPLE THROUGH THE CITY IS BECOMING CRITICAL.
IT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR FOCUS IS RIGHT NOW ON OUR CIP, IN GETTING A LOT OF ROAD PROJECTS IN DESIGN, AND THEN MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION.
IN THAT MEMO, WE TALKED ABOUT FINLEY BOULEVARD AND EXPANDING IT TO FOUR LANES.
WE'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT CONGESTION GETTING OUT TO POWELL PARKWAY.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS CERTAINLY WORTHY OF OUR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, WHICH WOULD BE THE 90,000 FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET AMENDMENT.
MOVING THAT MONEY OVER TO DESIGN AND THEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD COME NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT FISCAL-YEAR BUDGET.
BUT THIS IS JUST TO GET THE DESIGN GOING.
AS WE APPROVE THE BUDGET IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOCK OUT THE CONSTRUCTION.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CLAY TO GO OVER SOME SPECIFICS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. JUSTIN CLAY, CIP MANAGER, CITY OF ANNA. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I THINK RYAN DID A REALLY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TONIGHT WHERE WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR YOU GUYS TO APPROVE OUR RESOLUTION SO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER CAN SIGN A CONTRACT.
WE ARE HAVING ASSOCIATES FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN OF FINLEY BOULEVARD.
THIS IS 900 LINEAR FEET OF ROAD, WHICH INCLUDES SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE, AND ROADWAY STRIPING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
>> NO QUESTIONS. THERE YOU GO.
>> THERE ARE TWO VOTING ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ITEM. [LAUGHTER]
>> [OVERLAPPING] INDIVIDUALLY.
>> SORRY, I HAD TO SLAM THAT COMPUTER BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN UP ON ME.
D1, CONSIDER DISCUSS ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR '23 ROADWAY IMPACT FEE FUND BUDGET.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CAIN, SECOND BY TOTEN. ALL IN FAVOR?
ITEM 2, CONSIDER DISCUSS ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROJECT-SPECIFIC PURCHASE ORDER WITH ASSOCIATES IN THE AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING 90,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF FINLEY BOULEVARD FROM SHARP STREET TO THE DARK RAIL LINE. I MOVE WE APPROVE.
>> MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOTEN, ALL IN FAVOR?
ITEM 8 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACTION ON A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE FISCAL YEAR '22 AUDIT REPORT.
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>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL ALAN GUARD, YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, WE ARE PLEASED TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT THE AUDIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022.
SARA DEMPSEY FROM WEAVER & TIDWELL IS HERE, SHE IS THE MANAGING PARTNER FOR THIS PARTICULAR ENGAGEMENT AND SHE HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION SHE'LL PROVIDE.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE 2022 AUDIT.
I WORKED FOR WEAVER & TIDWELL.
WE DO A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE AREA.
I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS SPACE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.
I WANTED TO GO THROUGH WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
SOMETIMES THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF AUDITS.
THIS IS THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDIT.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONDUCTING THE AUDIT TO BE ABLE TO OPINE ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
WE RECEIVED THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE DOING OUR PROCEDURES TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AN OPINION ON THOSE.
WE WOULD COMMUNICATE ANY FRAUD, ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT WE FIND DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT.
WE WOULD REPORT THAT TO YOU AS THE AUDIT IS GOING ON, AND WE REALLY REPORT TO YOU.
WE WORK WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS A TEAM TO GET THE AUDIT COMPLETED, BUT WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND REALLY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION THAT WE FIND IN THE AUDIT TO YOU.
THERE IS OTHER INFORMATION IN THE DRAFT OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT IS UNAUDITED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, THE NOTE DISCLOSURES, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF INTRODUCTORY SECTION INFORMATION THAT'S FOR THE READER.
THOSE ARE UNAUDITED, BUT WE DO READ THROUGH IT AND WE COMPARE IT TO OUR AUDIT PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE, AND THAT WHAT YOU'RE READING AGREES WITH WHAT WE'VE TESTED.
IT'S JUST UNAUDITED INFORMATION.
THEN FOR YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES OVERSEEING THE PROCESS, CHALLENGING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE DURING THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WITH FINANCIAL PRESENTATIONS THAT OCCUR, AND THEN CITY MANAGEMENT, RESPONSIBLE FOR PREPARING THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THE INTERNAL CONTROLS IN PLACE.
WE DON'T GIVE AN OPINION ON INTERNAL CONTROLS, BUT WE DO LOOK AT THEM AS THEY WOULD AFFECT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
A CASH DISBURSEMENT PROCESS, A CASH RECEIPTS PROCESS, A PAYROLL PROCESS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE DO LOOK OVER AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING AS DESIGNED AND THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A MATERIAL MISSTATEMENT ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS IF A DESIGN WERE TO BE FLAWED.
WE WOULD DETECT THAT IN OUR AUDIT.
FOR THE AUDIT PROCESS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TESTING THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENT BALANCES AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN RISKS AND THESE ARE REALLY RISKS THAT ARE TO ALMOST ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT OCCURRED AT ANNA THAT MADE THESE RISKS MORE IMPORTANT HERE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.
YOU DON'T WANT MANAGEMENT TO BE ABLE TO OVERRIDE CONTROLS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY CAN GO IN AND CHANGE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
THERE ISN'T SOMEONE APPROVING LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTATION AS WELL.
THAT'S REALLY A RISK EVERYWHERE; GOVERNMENT, COMMERCIAL, ANY TYPE.
ALSO, IMPROPER REVENUE RECOGNITION.
WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY IS REALLY THE BOND RATING, THE DEBT REPORTING.
WE DON'T WANT REVENUE TO BE OVERSTATED TO GET YOU INTO FINANCIAL TROUBLE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ISSUE DEBT.
IMPROPER REVENUE RECOGNITION AND THE UTILITY FUND AND JUST OVERALL IS A RISK FOR US AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TESTING RECEIPTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE REVENUE THAT'S IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS IS PROPERLY STATED.
FOR THE OTHER FUNDS, AS YOU KNOW, THE RPA FUNDING THAT CAME IN, WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD WHEN THAT MONEY STARTS GETTING SPENT IS THAT IT'S BEING SPENT PROPERLY AND THAT WE'RE DOING A SINGLE AUDIT AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE ALLOWABLE.
FOR CAPITAL ASSETS, A CITY LIKE ANNA IS GROWING LOTS OF CAPITAL.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TESTING THAT GOES INTO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PLACE.
IT'S JUST A LARGE AREA FOR US.
LONG-TERM LIABILITIES, AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THEN THIS YEAR, IT WAS THE YEAR THAT LEASES WERE IMPLEMENTED.
BEFORE LEASES WOULD JUST REALLY OCCUR ON THE INCOME STATEMENT, CASH WOULD GO OUT, IT WOULD PAY FOR A VEHICLE, AND IT WOULD STAY ON THE INCOME STATEMENT.
THIS YEAR, THOSE REALLY MOVE TO THE BALANCE SHEETS.
THAT WAS A HEAVY LIFT FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
HONESTLY, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTS THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I WANT TO COMMEND THE TEAM BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLICATED YEARS I'VE SEEN OUT HERE WHEN YOU HAVE AN HFC FORUM, A PFC FORUM, THE NUMBER OF BIDS, THE GROWTH IN THE CITY.
IT'S VERY CHALLENGING FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE A LOT
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OF THOSE CONTRACTS ARE NEVER WRITTEN FOR ACCOUNTANTS. THEY'RE JUST NOT.THE TREATMENT AND HOW THOSE GET REPORTED, IT'S EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.
I LISTED OUT SOME OTHER AREAS AND THESE ARE JUST MORE UNUSUAL TRANSACTIONS PARTICULAR TO ANNA THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN AT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS VERY OFTEN.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT LIABILITIES TO BE UNDERSTATED, SO THAT'S ONE OF OURS, AND THEN THE FUND BALANCE CLASSIFICATIONS, WHAT'S ACTUALLY USABLE FOR THE CITY.
WE'LL HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT ISSUED THIS WEEK, AND THEN YOU'LL GET A LETTER TO GOVERNMENTS, WHICH BASICALLY I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH WHAT THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ARE.
THEN JUST A FINAL GOVERNMENTAL AUDITING STANDARDS COMMUNICATION OVER INTERNAL CONTROLS.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS, AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT, THE TEAM, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS MAKING ADJUSTMENTS, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING AND TESTING THAT THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ARE PROPER.
ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE FOUND DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU.
THE MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATION LETTER WILL BE IN THERE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GET AT THE END OF EVERY AUDIT WHERE IT SAYS WE GAVE YOU EVERYTHING, WE DIDN'T WITHHOLD INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED.
WE'RE INDEPENDENT, SO THAT'LL BE IN WRITING AND THEN THE OTHER INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE REPORT IS UNAUDITED.
IT'LL LIST OUT WHAT THOSE STATEMENTS ARE, SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE REPORT AND SEE THESE ARE THE AUDITED NUMBERS, AND THIS IS THE PART OF THE REPORT THAT MANAGEMENT PROVIDED.
THEN MANAGEMENT ESTIMATES THERE REALLY AREN'T MANY ESTIMATES AT ANNA THAT HAVE A LOT OF BIAS.
THE PENSION IS CONSIDERED AN ESTIMATE, BUT WE GET THE ACTUARIAL REPORTS.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ESTIMATES IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE, BUT THERE WASN'T A LOT OF ROOM FOR MANAGEMENT BIAS BECAUSE THERE ARE THIRD PARTY REPORTS LIKE AN ACTUARIAL VALUATION.
THEN JUST HIGH LEVEL ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WE DON'T EXPECT THE NUMBERS TO CHANGE MUCH AT ALL.
ENDING FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND IS $10 MILLION, WHICH WAS AN INCREASE OF 3.4 MILLION.
FOR THE UTILITY FUND ENDING NET POSITION WAS 87.8 MILLION, WHICH WAS AN INCREASE OF 16.5 MILLION, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU THIS IS ALL 930, 2022 INFORMATION, YOU-ALL ARE MORE INTO 2023.
BUT JUST LOOKING BACK AT HOW THE YEAR ENDED, YOU HAD INCREASE IN REVENUES RELATED TO PROPERTY TAXES, SALES TAXES, CHARGES FOR SERVICES, LICENSING, AND PERMITS, AND THEN FOR UTILITY FUND, YOU JUST SAW REVENUE AND YOUR WATER, SEWER AND SANITATION FEES.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE AUDIT PROCESS.
ANYTHING THAT I CAN HELP WITH.
>> THANK YOU SARAH. I DID LOOK THROUGH THAT, THAT'S MY BACKGROUND IS WHITE.
I LIKE TO COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR DOING A GOOD JOB AND HELPING OUT WITH THAT AS WELL.
HOPEFULLY YOU LEARNED A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT NATURAL GAS?
>> I DID. THERE'S ALWAYS NEVER-ENDING LEARNING, IT'S A CORE VALUE. THANKS. ANYTHING ELSE?
>> BROADLY SPEAKING, YOU GAVE US A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH.
>> UNMODIFIED. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T EVEN SAY THAT.
>> KPMG GAVE THEM A CLEAN BILL HEALTH TOO [OVERLAPPING]
IT IS AN UNMODIFIED OPINION AND WE WOULD HAVE LET YOU KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING IF WE WERE HAVING ANY ISSUES WHERE THAT WOULD REALLY COME INTO PLAY AS IF FINANCE DISAGREED WITH HOW THE AUDIT WAS GOING.
BUT CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH UNMODIFIED OPINION.
>> MOTION TO MAYOR PROTEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND.
>> SECOND [NOISE]. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> CARRIERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A POP-UP OR AS THIRD IS. THANK YOU.
>> I'M NOT USING THAT ANYMORE.
WE ROLL CALL THEM THE REST OF THEM.
OUT OF MATH IS CONSIDERED DISCUSS ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE PERMITTING THEM REGULATING THE USE OF GOLF CARTS WITHIN THE CITY OF ANNA.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL DEAN HABEL POLICE CHIEF.
AT THE LAST MEETING COUNCIL ASKED OUR STAFF TO BRING FORWARD A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT REGULATED THE USE AND REGISTRATION OF GOLF CARTS WITHIN THE CITY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DRAFTED THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ORDINANCE INCLUDE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE OWNER SUBMIT TO A ONETIME REGISTRATION PROCESS THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL THEN ISSUE TWO PLACARDS ONE THERE WILL BE A FIXED TO THE FRONT, ONE AFFIXED TO THE BACK OF THE GOLF CART, AND FINALLY, IT WOULD ALSO THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THERE'S NO FEE INCLUDED.THERE WASN'T REALLY A UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS THROUGHOUT COUNSEL AS TO WHETHER THEY WANTED OR WHETHER YOU WANTED A FEE OR NOT, SO THIS CURRENT VERSION DOES NOT INCLUDE A FEE.
WE COULD EASILY AMEND THAT TO ADD THE FEE AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ABOUT SOME SURROUNDING CITIES IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THOSE CITIES ARE CHARGING.
>> THANKS, JUDY, IF I DO HAVE AN I APOLOGIZE FOR THE COUNCIL.
I DIDN'T FULLY READ ALL THE DETAILS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
MY BIGGEST THING IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE BAN THE USE OF ATV TYPE PRODUCTS.
>> THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE LIKE [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT I DON'T WANT GETTING OUT OF HAND IS GOLF CARTS OR GOLF CARTS.
THEY'RE NOT $25,000 ATVS THAT GOES 70,000.
I THINK EVERY THINGS SHOULD BE REGISTERED AND THEY SHOULD SHOW A PROOF OF INSURANCE, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH GOLF CARTS AND TITLING OF GOLF CARTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO CONFORM TO EVERY REGISTRATION THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BY THE STATE OF TEXAS AND REGISTER ONE TIME WITH THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CHARGE THEM A FEE.
I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A FEE, BUT I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE PEOPLE PROOF THAT THEY OWN THEM, THAT THEY'RE INSURED ON THEM, AND THAT THEY FOLLOW ALL STATE LAW ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT'S MY FEEDBACK.
>> THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WOULD COVER ALL OF THAT.
>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT THANKS FOR NOT INCLUDING THE FEE BY THE WAY.
IF THEY DON'T CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM AND YOU FIND THEM.
IS THERE A FINDING APPARATUS OR MECHANISM FOR THAT?
>> THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND IN A COMMUNITY THAT WOULD ALLOW IT THROUGH STATE LAW THAT THEY WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY EXEMPTED FROM THE ORDINANCE OR FROM THE REGISTRATION PROCESS, SO THERE IS A WAY TO OPERATE IT WITHOUT REGISTERING IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND IN A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S NO FEE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE AND SEND IT OUT TO ALL HOPING THAT PEOPLE HAVE REGISTERED THEIR GOLF CARTS NO MATTER WHERE THEY WERE.
>> CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GETTING THE PLACARD PROCESS WHERE THEY JUST COME HERE TO CITY HALL TO RECEIVE THAT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT?
>> YES, SIR. THEY WOULD REGISTER THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE AN ONLINE PORTAL.
WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL PUT THAT TOGETHER.
BUT WE COULD HAVE AN ONLINE PORTAL.
WE CAN ALSO HAVE AN IN-PERSON REGISTRATION HERE AT THE WINDOW.
FROM THERE, WE WOULD ISSUE THE PLACARDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE JUST HAVEN'T DESIGNED AS A STICKER.
>> OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS AS AT LEAST CUMBERSOME AS POSSIBLE.
>> WE'LL DO A COMMUNICATION CAMPAIGN TO AS WELL TO INFORM PEOPLE.
>> SEE IF MAYBE POLICE CHIEF OR NRP IO COMBINED INFORMATION FOR THE FACEBOOK PAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OUR CITY WEBSITE, AND ON THE PROCESS, ASSUMING THIS PASSES AND THAT THERE WAS A NEW ORDINANCE AND HOW TO GET THE PLACARDS AND AVOID ANY FINES AND PROVEN FORWARD.
>> MY IDEA OF HAVING A FEE IS TO COVER THE COST, THE PLACARD DRIVEN TO COST SOMETHING.
THE TIME THAT WHOEVER KEEPS ALL THE RECORDS GOING TO COST SOMETHING JUST LIKE THE BUILDING PERMIT YOU REPLACE THE FENCE, YOU GOT TO PAY $75 FEE TO HAVE THE PERMIT.
WE SHOULD JUST ELIMINATE THAT.
THE ONETIME THING IS IS OKAY WITH ME TOO.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEGATIVITY TOWARDS THE FEE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING TO HELP COVER THE COSTS.
I'M NOT TRYING TO FIND A POLICE CAR OR ANOTHER OFFICER, IT'S MORE SO TO COVER THE COST, SO WE'RE MORE EVEN OUT.
THAT'S JUST MY ONLY THING, IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVEN IF IT'S JUST SMALL $10 FEE, IT'S SOMETHING BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS A GOLF CART AND THEY REALLY READ FOR IT, THEY DON'T MIND THE $10 FEE AND THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. [NOISE]
>> BUT KIM, WOULD YOU NOT SAY THAT HE'S NOT ASKING THEM TO RENEW IT EVERY YEAR, IT'S A ONETIME FEE THAT MAYBE THE CITY HAS FOR A STICKER,
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WHICH I DON T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY MUCH, AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN AND GET IT, SO THERE'S NO RECURRING FEE FOR THE CITY WHICH WOULD BE IF YOU CHARGED THE FEE YOU ALMOST GOING TO HAVE SOME EXPIRATION DATE ON IT OR RENEWAL WAY TO DO, WHICH IS A RECURRING TYPE PROCESS, CORRECT?>> NOT REALLY. YOU REGISTER YOUR GOLF CART, HERE'S YOUR STICKERS, 10 BUCKS.
IT JUST COVERS THE COST OF THE STICKERS OR THE PLACARDS OR HOWEVER THE TICKER IS GOING TO BE MADE AND IT COVER THE TIME THAT THE PERSON SPENDS DOING THE REGISTRATION.
IT'S JUST A SIMPLE $20 FEE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE A DIME OFF OF IT.
>> BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE PERCEPTION THAT WE CREATED AN ORDINANCE WITH A FEE IN ORDER THAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DERIVE YOUR GOLF CART YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR.
>> IT SOUNDS TO ME AS WELL THAT THEY ARE TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO ACTUALLY GET THE THING AS LONG AS THEY FIT WITHIN STATES PARAMETERS.
IT'S EVEN MAKING THEM LESS LIKELY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS IF THEY HAVE TO PAY MONEY FOR IT AS WELL.
IF WE'RE TRYING TO TRULY ENFORCE IT.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A REGISTRATION PROCESS AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROVE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE INSURED.
I THINK LETTING PEOPLE RUN AND RIP ON GOLF CARTS UNDER 16 YEARS OF AGE THROUGHOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND CONFIRMING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY STATE REQUIREMENTS AND FOLLOW THE STATE LAW, AND IN REGARDS TO RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, WE SHOULD FINE THEM.
I THINK THE BEST WAY TO PROVE THAT IS YOU GOT TO GO IN ONE TIME.
I DON T KNOW THAT WE NEED A FEE IF WE'RE JUST PUTTING A STICKER ON THEM.
BUT I THINK WHAT ARE MAKING PROOF THAT THEY'RE REGISTERED, AND MIKE SAID THE REGISTRATION LAWS ON A GOLF CART ARE DIFFERENT AS FAR AS TITLING, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO PROVE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT YOU'RE OVER 16 YEARS OF AGE, YOU HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND THE VEHICLE FOLLOW STATE LAW AND THAT YOU DO HAVE PROOF OF INSURANCE OTHERWISE, JUST LIKE DRIVING A CAR WITHOUT INSURANCE.
>> WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF LET'S SAY THEY COME UP AND THEY GET ONE, FOR ONE GOLF CART, TWO YEARS LATER, THEY GET A NEW GOLF CART. EXPLAIN THAT.
>> THE PLACARD IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT GOLF CART.
IT'S NOT TRANSFERABLE, SO IF YOU SELL THE GOLF CART, THE STICKER DOESN'T GO WITH IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE NEW OWNER AS WELL.
EVEN IF YOU SELL IT TO ANOTHER OWNER IN ANNA, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RE-REGISTER IT.
>> THE STICKER ITSELF IS YOUR PLAN TO BE MORE SO LIKE A TOLL TAG OR A STICKER WHERE YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR YOU GET A STICKER ON YOUR SHIRT.
I THINK THOSE CAN BE EASILY REMOVED AND REPLACED ONTO ANOTHER WINDSHIELD BUT MORE SO THE TOLL TAG TYPE?
>>WE WOULD HAVE ONE THAT'S DESIGNED TO BE WEATHERPROOF.
>> OR THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS STICK ON THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> STICK ON THE INSIDE, I'M SURE.
>> STICK ON THE CARS THAT ARE ILLEGALLY PARKED THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OFF, NOT THAT I HAVE FROM EXPERIENCE JUST FROM SEEING IT.
>> WE REALLY HAVEN'T RESEARCHED WHAT THE PLACARDS WOULD LOOK LIKE JUST YET
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, WITH A HEAT GUN, YOU CAN EASILY REMOVE A STICKER AND PUT IT BACK ON.
>> I JUST THINK WE'RE OVERTHINKING IT.
[OVERLAPPING] I THINK AT HE END OF THE DAY, THE PEOPLE IN ANNA, THEY DON'T LISTEN TO CITY ORDINANCES FROM ANYBODY.
>> BUT LUCKILY, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW ORDINANCES.
>> NOW THEY'VE BEEN DRIVING GOLF CARTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2015.
NOTE ONE OFFICER HAS EVER DRIVEN PAST AND TURN ON THEIR LIGHTS TO STOP ANYBODY FROM DOING WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING.
>> INSURANCE IS IN THE ORDINANCE?
>> IT IS. THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME.
MAKE SURE THERE ARE STRICT LEGAL AND THEY'VE GOT INSURANCE.
>> IF THERE'S EQUIPMENT PROVISIONS, INSURANCE, THEY HAVE TO BE LICENSED.
>> BUT NOW MY QUESTION IS ABOUT INSURANCE.
MAYOR, IS HOW OFTEN ARE WE GOING TO CHECK THAT, EVERY YEAR OR JUST ONE TIME AND THEY COULD GET IT FOR A YEAR AND THEN DROP IT OR SIX MONTHS, SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEIR POLICIES ARE.
>> UNLESS THEY COME UP WITH INSURANCE AND SHOW US.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE A STICKER YOU CALL THEM OVER AND ASK THEM FOR THEIR INSURANCE.
>> ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE ON THE ANNA SYSTEM, WE'RE HAVING THEM ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE REQUIRED EQUIPMENT, THAT THEY ARE THE REGISTERED OWNER, THAT THEY DO HAVE INSURANCE ON THE GOLF CART.
BUT THERE IS A REVOCATION PROCESS THAT IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE ORDINANCE SO WE CAN REVOKE THE REGISTRATION.
WE CAN ALSO CITE THEM FOR VIOLATION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE IF THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY ASPECT OF IT.
>> CHIEF, THEY GOT PULLED OVER AND THEY DON'T HAVE PREFER THE INSURANCE SO YOU CAN WRITE THEM A TICKET FOR NO INSURANCE LIKE A CAR.
>> WE WOULD WRITE THEM FOR VIOLATION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.
>> I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST SO IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION THAT WAS
[02:55:02]
ABOUT THE SAFETY AND MY CONCERN IS WE'RE VIEWING ACROSS HIGHWAY 5435 AND OTHER HIGHLY TRAFFICKED HIGH-SPEED ROADS.I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AT THEM IN THEIR ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO PUT SIGNAGE THAT YOU'RE ENTERING INTO A GOLF CART COMMUNITY OR WATCH FOR GOLF CARTS AS CROSSING THE HIGHWAY.
SOMETHING TO GIVE SOME AWARENESS THAT THERE IS A VEHICLE THAT THEY'RE NOT USED TO SEEING ON OUR ROADS, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO OUR ORDINANCE.
>> COUNCILMAN YOU WON'T HAVE TO, IF WE WILL LOOK AT THAT, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE, THAT DIRECTION CAN BE JUST PROVIDED TO STAFF.
>> CITY MANAGER, HOW SOON WOULD THAT BE DONE?
>> I'D LIKE US FIRST TO BE ABLE TO DO A COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TO REALLY ASSESS WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE USING GOLF CARTS AND MAKE THAT DECISION BASED OFF THE ASSESSMENT ANALYSIS AND PUT IN THE CORRECT SIGNAGE.
>> THANK YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ONE FOR HORSES TOO.
>> START ALLOWING SOME HORSES.
>> MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS 7.F.
>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PETE. MAY I HAVE A SECOND.
BRINGING ONE FOR THE TWO WEEKS FOR LAWNMOWERS.
[8. Closed Session]
>> CLOSED SESSION UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR, AND CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ANY ITEMS. LIST YOUR REFERENCE ON THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS.
A, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING OPINION ON CONFLICT OF LITIGATION TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551.071.
B, DISGUSTED, ELABORATE, PURCHASE EXCHANGE, LEASE, OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551.072.
C, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551.07.
D, DISCUSS DELIBERATE PERSONNEL MATTERS.
TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551.074.
>> MADAM MAYOR PRO TEM SECONDS.
>> COUNCILMAN KACH OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM?
>> YES. MOTION PASSES WE'RE GOING TO ENTER CLOSED AT 09:12 PM.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.